After thinking about that for a while, I would have to agree. Possibly Ursula is his most defined ideal woman, and she's in both The Rainbow and Women In Love. And while she's no push over, she stands her ground, she's not exactly a strong feminist either. In fact she sort of rejects that. The other women characters are all interesting in their own way. Mrs. Morel (too strong) and Miriam (too weak) from Sons and Lovers are both problematic; Anna Brangwen (Ursula's and Gudrun's mother) from The Rainbow is incredibly drawn and complex, but ultimately similar to Mrs Morel, an all absorbing woman that reduces the vitality of men; Lady Chatterly could be the best representative of Lawrence's ideal woman after Ursula.
He doesn't, but the question is, does he approve?I think that Lawrence definitely does not write weak women. He writes them prominent and strong, asside from certain characters.
Quite right. Lawrence is the ultimate naturalist and that's where he believes in a more deferential role for women. I'm not sure "deferential" is the right word. I couldn't think of the perfect word. And in a perfect lawrence world there wouldn't be a need for bullying. It would be natural, the male acting through his role and the female through hers. To some degree lawrence sees the imperfect roles of men and women as a falling from some edenic ideal. When we fell from eden (and this is Lawrence's view, not mine) we formed individual wills and through those wills we exert our internal desires and this creates interrelationship disharmonies, and ultimately social disharmonies. These disharmonies work themself out with time and conflict in premodern societies, but the modern world (industrialization, freedom, especially women's freedoms, democracy) does not allow these disharmonies to work themself out but lead to sterile and dysfunctionality relationships and societies.I do think Lawrence felt that the natural order of things in the world, derrived from observing nature itself, was that male animal/man is dominent over female animal/women. I don't however, think he believed that man was there to bully women either or visa versa. Lawrence was very complex and to answer what his 'ideal' woman was, is to study him for a lifetime. I really don't have a certain answer myself.



His ideal woman, to me, seems to change from novel to novel; but maybe, I am wrong. To be honest with you, I think Lawrence was always in pursuit of what his ideal woman should be; but like his journeys for discovery, he never truly settled on a complete answer.
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"It's so mysterious, the land of tears."
because I compared the two sisters with the two sisters in Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austin. Gudrun with Elizabeth and Ursula with Jane.
The last part of the text is up. I'll have a look at it later in the day - I am a bit too busy at the moment.

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