We Never Went to the Moon

[Emil Miller]

That is a common misconception. The fact is that the astronauts were only in the belts a short period of time, and the walls of the CM were enough to block much of the radiation.

There is little argument to this. Literally hundreds of satellites from many different countries reside within the belts, so the amount of radiation within them is well known.



Could you give some links that show this? I'm not quite sure what you mean by "rock formations".



Because the man that "asked" him, Bart Sibrel (the same man that was punched in the face by Buzz Aldrin), tresspassed on his property in order to get access to him.

Thanks for your answers. Either yesterday or the day before,there was an item with a similar title to this thread on the MSN news page that always comes up when I call up the internet . It showed a man pointing out details of NASA moon photos that were obviously faked or had been altered by the man himself. He was very articulate and pointed out several areas of rock formations i.e. rocks shown on different parts of the moon surface that were identical. I don't know who he was because there were a number of different items concerning the "moon landings" and I didn't have time to watch everything.

There was also a second item in which a different man showed that mathematically the width of the Van Allen belt was such that, at the speed of the vehicle given by NASA, it would have taken too long to traverse the belt for the astronauts tio have survived unscathed. Satellites of course are non-sentient and would not be affected, but using the data obtained from them the presenter showed how humans would not survive the journey.

With regard to the Neil Armstrong incident, I am surprised that neither he nor Buzz Aldrin, both of whom are supposed to be trained to stay cool in a crisis, didn't just say "OK wise guy" then take the oath and in so doing damage the doubters case instead of creating the impression that they were afraid to do so.

[Tomblvd]

Thanks for your answers. Either yesterday or the day before,there was an item with a similar title to this thread on the MSN news page that always comes up when I call up the internet . It showed a man pointing out details of NASA moon photos that were obviously faked or had been altered by the man himself. He was very articulate and pointed out several areas of rock formations i.e. rocks shown on different parts of the moon surface that were identical. I don't know who he was because there were a number of different items concerning the "moon landings" and I didn't have time to watch everything.

Brian, I think I have a good idea what you are talking about. Were these rock formations large? Or were they something that could have been picked up?

There was also a second item in which a different man showed that mathematically the width of the Van Allen belt was such that, at the speed of the vehicle given by NASA, it would have taken too long to traverse the belt for the astronauts tio have survived unscathed. Satellites of course are non-sentient and would not be affected, but using the data obtained from them the presenter showed how humans would not survive the journey.

Have you ever fried a computer motherboard with static electricity? Electronics are much more sensitive than you think.

But the point is that whoever designs geosynchonous satellites have to take into consideration the radiation of the VA belts. Every engineer knows the numbers, and if there were a discrepancy, someone would have blown the whistle. Also, looking just at the width of the belts is inadequate. Think of the belts as a large doughnut encircling the equator. The cover approximately 20 degrees on either side of the equator. The lunar launches were all around 30 degrees (this is off the top of my head), so the did not go through the densest part of the belts.

With regard to the Neil Armstrong incident, I am surprised that neither he nor Buzz Aldrin, both of whom are supposed to be trained to stay cool in a crisis, didn't just say "OK wise guy" then take the oath and in so doing damage the doubters case instead of creating the impression that they were afraid to do so.

If someone broke into my property I would not get near them. And you need to look into exactly what was done to Aldrin to get him to that hotel for that ambush. Neither of those men owe Sibrel the time of day. He's trying to play a game of "gotcha", and they aren't playing along.

I hope this clears things up a bit for you.

[Emil Miller]

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Originally Posted by Brian Bean
Thanks for your answers. Either yesterday or the day before,there was an item with a similar title to this thread on the MSN news page that always comes up when I call up the internet . It showed a man pointing out details of NASA moon photos that were obviously faked or had been altered by the man himself. He was very articulate and pointed out several areas of rock formations i.e. rocks shown on different parts of the moon surface that were identical. I don't know who he was because there were a number of different items concerning the "moon landings" and I didn't have time to watch everything.

Brian, I think I have a good idea what you are talking about. Were these rock formations large? Or were they something that could have been picked up?

Some looked quite small, about the size of a baseball, and others were larger, maybe the size of a suitcase. I think they could have been picked up; they were randomly scattered about the surface.

[kevinthediltz]

Ok, I am saying one thing and one thing only then leaving this convorsation.
The rock formations seen several times; Don't you think that if the US govt was going to fake something this huge they would spend maybe 10 extra bucks to make more than 3 paper machea rocks? The US govt can be dumb sometimes (Im in the US by the way), but not that dumb.
And next time you are in the mountains, look around. Rocks look very similar to each other.

[1n50mn14]

*cheers on Kevin and again leaves thread*

[weltanschauung]

Ok, I am saying one thing and one thing only then leaving this convorsation.
The rock formations seen several times; Don't you think that if the US govt was going to fake something this huge they would spend maybe 10 extra bucks to make more than 3 paper machea rocks? The US govt can be dumb sometimes (Im in the US by the way), but not that dumb.
And next time you are in the mountains, look around. Rocks look very similar to each other.

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no i dont think so, everyone was already too busy with tv, coca-cola and the beatles to question anything.
besides, this isnt a matter of criticism to americans, its a criticism to american government. the government doesnt represent the people, and it never has. the government represents the government. russia had just sent a dog in a metal ball, excuse me, a spaceshuttle, to the moon. the US had to do something quick. QUICK! just like they did to find the "responsible" for kennedy's death. the people demand, the government obbeys, right?

[Emil Miller]

Ok, I am saying one thing and one thing only then leaving this convorsation.
The rock formations seen several times; Don't you think that if the US govt was going to fake something this huge they would spend maybe 10 extra bucks to make more than 3 paper machea rocks? The US govt can be dumb sometimes (Im in the US by the way), but not that dumb.
And next time you are in the mountains, look around. Rocks look very similar to each other.

I don't think you understand what I am saying. The rocks were real and they were in close-up to the camera,but different parts of the photos showed identical areas where the rocks were exactly and, without doubt, the same rocks.Therefore, the photo's appear to have been doctored for some reason.
As I said earlier on this thread, I don't care either way if men have been to the moon or not, as I have very little interest in astronomy or space travel.
So it makes no difference to me personally,but there seem to be a number of questions surrounding the moon project that have caught my attention and I am trying to find the answers.

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no i dont think so, everyone was already too busy with tv, coca-cola and the beatles to question anything.
besides, this isnt a matter of criticism to americans, its a criticism to american government. the government doesnt represent the people, and it never has. the government represents the government. russia had just sent a dog in a metal ball, excuse me, a spaceshuttle, to the moon. the US had to do something quick. QUICK! just like they did to find the "responsible" for kennedy's death. the people demand, the government obbeys, right?

The Russians didn't send a dog to the moon. Laika was the first animal to circumnavigate the earth in space. It wasn't until Russia's Yuri Gagarin became the first man to do it that the US government began to speed up its space programme.

[BlueSkyGB]

Just do a google search and you'll find lots of reputable sites that debunk the Fake Landing....CNN....even the Mythbusters show did an episode on this...
Also a Science site I follow..had a member that was banned...happened to have the same name as the creator of this thread Cosmored...is this another conspiracy?......

and with that I leave this thread.

[Eugenie]

Well, there have been many frauds in this world. But my question is this to the nay sayers,

Those rockets, weighing a kazillion pounds actually did lift off from the earth, too many saw in person that fact.
And it is true that we have space debris ,right , and once you go so high you immediately go into an orbit mode.
So, if these vessels did not go there, stay there the amount of time reported, where did the rockets go, and how then did they get back to earth with only the capsule and the person actually in it, seen coming down from the high atmosphere and photographed.
If you say that it was by a plane, honestly that would have been the scoop of the century, everyone of the reporters there would have looked up. It would have been enough to impeach the president, defrauding the public and wasting enough money to feed the earth.
Anyone can make these videos against it, and doctor it up, feed it to you John and Sally public and laugh and laugh at you. I mean if the government could pull off something so fantastic, a small group of intelligent students can have their fun with you.

[librarius_qui]

and after we've destroyed all the other planets in the galaxy, where do we go from there? especially without warp dive... How's about conserving the one planet we have?
but I agree with you on the science fiction bit. I like that kind of story.

[I'm not here ... ]

Actually, there's little to destroy up there on Mars and Jupiterian Europa ... We'll have to learn a lot about building, though. To survive in such places, we'll have to recicle simply EVERYTHING

[Emil Miller]

Just do a google search and you'll find lots of reputable sites that debunk the Fake Landing....CNN....even the Mythbusters show did an episode on this...
Also a Science site I follow..had a member that was banned...happened to have the same name as the creator of this thread Cosmored...is this another conspiracy?......

and with that I leave this thread.

You are quite right but the problem is that the debunkers are then counter-debunked with further information which appears as equally convincing.

[weltanschauung]

The Russians didn't send a dog to the moon. Laika was the first animal to circumnavigate the earth in space. It wasn't until Russia's Yuri Gagarin became the first man to do it that the US government began to speed up its space programme.

equally HUUUGE and relevant.

[Emil Miller]

Well, there have been many frauds in this world. But my question is this to the nay sayers,

I mean if the government could pull off something so fantastic, a small group of intelligent students can have their fun with you.

The operative word in this sentence is "IF"

[kasie]

This thread is quite entertaining but not quite up to the standards of Capricorn 1 - that had pictures....

[Chava]

Just a tangent to think about; I can see why the filming of the 'moon scenes' were made on earth, but does that neccesarily mean they didn't go to the moon? I can imagine that if you're going to send a crew to the moon, and you kniow the entire population is waiting for live footage, what do you o if there is no transmission, and how could you know if there was transmission untill they were up there. Making 'backup' scenes seems the logical thing to do.

But really, I have no idea what the truth is, and it doesn't really interest me. The whole Imperialist race to conquer the moon and the universe seems a silly form of escapism to me.