God Exist

[NikolaiI]

God is infinite.

[hoope]

Hoope I think your missing the point of my post and I think Wintermute was alluding to a similar point

Your OP states quite clearly *That's what happens when people do not go to him, and don't look to him for help. Thats why there so much pain and sufffering in the world*

I actually find the suggestion in the OP that the people I loved who have died horribly, or that the millions of people on this planet who are starving and suffering everyday, are doing so because they have failed to subscribe to this idea of a deity offensive.

If I had to choose between being poked in the eye by my barber with a pair of scissors or having my head pulled off by the god this is supposed to prove the truth of, I'd take my chances with the god.

I get ur point ... & yes many people go to God but have you asked yourself whether they are worshipping God int he right way , its not about only believing & going to the church.. And yet you may suffer.
Its not about being , its about becoming what God wants to.We have a choice in our life & we can choose between whats right & wrong . And we can't blame the poor or the sick for they are ; everyone has a reason for . If ther is no poor there wouldn't have been rich , ppl would be all inthe same level ; but now you can see that there is charity & ppl help eachother . If there is no sick you wouldn't know how gifted you r with having a good health & you would thank God . Things are made for reason , & we are all part of what has been written ; but we have the right to accept it or deny it & suffer . And i am one who believes inteh world hereafter i dnt know if you do; but once anyone does they will know that this life is othing but a way that we pass by ; we may get sick or suffer but int he would hereafter there is endless happiness .

I hope you were able to get my point of view . And thx alot for your comment & sorry for any misunderstandin

[hoope]

Another one? Read before posting, geez. This isn't a cut and paste forum - it's for discussion of literary texts. Why don't people stop forwarding their emails here?

As far as I'm concerned, this has nothing to do with the bible, or any other text, and instead insults my beliefs as an atheist.

These boards are not for converting - if I'm not posting topics like "why religious people are idiots", and not copying and pasting from Dawkins or whomever, why should religious people be allowed the same freedom?

Basically I find this insulting. It says that because I am not Christian, or whatever monotheistic religion this seems to follow (though I think it is Christian, because I know Jewish Dogma would consider this ridiculous) I deserve all the suffering and whatnot that comes to me. It says I am not entitled to good unless I believe in god. It says people suffer because they do not accept God. It basically says, tough luck Atheist, rot in hell.

It says more than that. It says those people who don't have food in poor countries deserve it, because they don't believe in "God". It says many worse things than that, and it is not the least bit unoffensive.

I think of it eventually leads to this argument - "Jews got what they deserved during the Sho'ah because they did not accept the teaching of Jesus Christ." Or any other form of justification. Bigoted, and, ironically, not even justified within scripture.

It seems like whoever wrote that needs to read the book of Job. Either way, I don't think copy and pasting goes with the forum rules, and I don't think the content does either - how could it not offend. I'm surprised this isn't locked - I don't want to say there is a double standard, so I guess I'll just say it hasn't been gotten around to yet.

SORRY JBI.... i should have read the forum rules..but thers no need to be harsh with your words , anyway i thought it would be good to just share & see other opinion.. whateva.. i'll check its not A COPY PASTE WORK next tym .

[Judas130]

yeah, flawed logic, nice enough story.
but to be honest, I like my beard.

[hoope]

yeah, flawed logic, nice enough story.
but to be honest, I like my beard.

Thx Judas.. for steppin by

[Wintermute]

. . .but have you asked yourself whether they are worshipping God int he right way , its not about only believing & going to the church..

Hi Hoope,

I'm sorry. Are you saying that my grandmother was worshipping in the wrong way? And that by doing so she brought on her cancer and suffering? If so, I want no part of your God. You can keep it.

Its no wonder this planet is in such a state with ideas like this.

Doug

[hoope]

Hi Hoope,

I'm sorry. Are you saying that my grandmother was worshipping in the wrong way? And that by doing so she brought on her cancer and suffering? If so, I want no part of your God. You can keep it.

Its no wonder this planet is in such a state with ideas like this.

Doug

daaaaaaaa.. don't get me wrong..
No offence Wintermute ! Every one has his own point views.. And am sorry for your grandma ; May her soul rest in peace

Getting cancer or any disease is a testing for human tolerance & whether they can take it with patient & know that this is written for anyone .. those who believe or not.. i believe that how our life will be is written way before we r born.. nothing we do can change it .. but we can accept it in a different way..



And which state you meant by ur last word.. !!

[blazeofglory]

The reason man believes in God is man likens this vastness, the unknown universe to God. Of course there are too many associations of God-related subjects with mythological readings. And when mythological things have bearings on the subject of God it is not unnatural to see some of the superstitious beliefs with God-subjects.

Yet I see God rather differently and choose to dissociate it with mere mythological issues.
God is the universe, the cosmos but in its manifested or un-manifested forms.

[laidbackperson]

Though not directly relevant, the way believers believe and the way atheists counter argue and refuse to believe in God, I got reminded of this joke.

A deaf person going for a swim in the river met another deaf sitting by the roadside:

Sitting deaf: Are you going for a swim in the river?

First deaf: No, No…. I am going for a swim in the river.

Sitting deaf: Oh! I thought, you were going for a swim in the river.

I am a firm believer, by the way.

[Judas130]

The reason man believes in God is man likens this vastness, the unknown universe to God. Of course there are too many associations of God-related subjects with mythological readings. And when mythological things have bearings on the subject of God it is not unnatural to see some of the superstitious beliefs with God-subjects.

Yet I see God rather differently and choose to dissociate it with mere mythological issues.
God is the universe, the cosmos but in its manifested or un-manifested forms.

To say God is the entirety of the natural order, existence being the common thread between all that physically exists and God being the binding for us all, is a concept I share. To believe this however, at least in and around the time of Spinoza, was as good as atheism. It is a deistic concept, to see an entity that IS the universe, all in it, the cosmos but in its 'manifested or un-manifested forms' - to me this means, 'physically', and 'in abstract'. Thus, i would infer from your statement that 'God' in this understanding is like spinoza's natural order, Plato's Form of the Good, or Aristotle's Prime Mover. Therefore, 'God', in this understanding, cannot be interactive, loving, or in any way interested with us humans. As Hoope is clearly a Theist, her God clearly of the Judeo-Christian variety and so your deistic idea, of which I too share (in some form or another perhaps), doesn't apply to her loving God, nor her story...or HIS if I got the gender wrong...I just assumed due to the flowery avatar...

All in all, deism is an interesting way to look at something...it depersonalises a deity, and has no recommendations to worship it, has some empirical grounds for proof, yet cannot be faith or religion, but philosophy.

peace

[hoope]

The reason man believes in God is man likens this vastness, the unknown universe to God. Of course there are too many associations of God-related subjects with mythological readings. And when mythological things have bearings on the subject of God it is not unnatural to see some of the superstitious beliefs with God-subjects.

Yet I see God rather differently and choose to dissociate it with mere mythological issues.
God is the universe, the cosmos but in its manifested or un-manifested forms.

Hey Blaze we missed you around.. wlc back..

and yes i was eager to read your reply & as you said we should dissociate God from any mythology

[hoope]

To say God is the entirety of the natural order, existence being the common thread between all that physically exists and God being the binding for us all, is a concept I share. To believe this however, at least in and around the time of Spinoza, was as good as atheism. It is a deistic concept, to see an entity that IS the universe, all in it, the cosmos but in its 'manifested or un-manifested forms' - to me this means, 'physically', and 'in abstract'. Thus, i would infer from your statement that 'God' in this understanding is like spinoza's natural order, Plato's Form of the Good, or Aristotle's Prime Mover. Therefore, 'God', in this understanding, cannot be interactive, loving, or in any way interested with us humans. As Hoope is clearly a Theist, her God clearly of the Judeo-Christian variety and so your deistic idea, of which I too share (in some form or another perhaps), doesn't apply to her loving God, nor her story...or HIS if I got the gender wrong...I just assumed due to the flowery avatar...

All in all, deism is an interesting way to look at something...it depersonalises a deity, and has no recommendations to worship it, has some empirical grounds for proof, yet cannot be faith or religion, but philosophy.

peace

Am a girl.. & i have no any philosophy iterest out of all this.. & i dnt like philosophy either.. And i think we should separate Philosophy from religion & from faith... Philosopher are nothing but weird ppl coming up with theories .. which are to be wrong or right ..

i went way from the topic.. anyway Judas.. thx alot for your comment.. & for sharing your idea..

[blazeofglory]

Philosophy is just full of ideas, different ideas, and it suffers limitations.

All of us are here learning. Truth is not revealed to us fully. We have so many books, philosophies, Scientology theories that were designed or written about truth, but they can not unfold full truth but only part of them only.

God is truth, and realizing truth is likened to realizing truth.

All regardless of ideologies, all follow truth in its variations. Scientists are too seeking it and spiritualists are too. The only difference is the path.

[Wintermute]

Hi Blazeofglory,

Scientists are too seeking it and spiritualists are too. The only difference is the path.

Do you know anyone who has actually, 100% certain found 'it'. There seem to be gazillions of folks that claim to have found 'it'. But I don't think they have. Most of them seem silly to me. I'm hoping 'it' is much more beautiful and gentle than Ms hoope thinks.

Naturally, being agnostic, I could be wrong--it could be a mean spirited, angry old man sitting in a cloud somewhere smiting those who fail to recognize and worship it.

Blessings to you.

Doug

[weltanschauung]

god's body is the universe.
god's thoughts are gravity, strong nuclear force, weak interaction force, and electro-magnetic force.
god's actions are all the immutable mechanisms triggered by the basic four thoughts.


anthropocentrism is a frigging joke.