Oh, I see. 99% of the people I talk to about Shakespeare call me a freakin' nerd.Originally Posted by limajean
And then they laugh when a character says, "What's the matter, ho?" As if it was Shakespeare in da hood.
Oh, I see. 99% of the people I talk to about Shakespeare call me a freakin' nerd.
And then they laugh when a character says, "What's the matter, ho?" As if it was Shakespeare in da hood.
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Half the people I talk to about Shakespeare these days don't even know why they like him. They only do because they're expected to.
Limajean, you're 17. Half the people you talk to probably haven't read Shakespeare... except when it was required for school.
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Such is my experience.
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What does 17 have to do with it - the majority of people don't read literary (and I use the term loosely) books. For instance, my mother has only read 4 Shakespeare plays, most of which at school in her teenage years, and my father hasn't read any in English.
Certainly you are correct in that few people... even as adults... ever develop a serious love of literature... and put forth the effort demanded to attain something of a expertise in the field that would make their opinions worthy of consideration. Of course the percentage of those with more than a rudimentary degree of experience in literature while still in their teen years is certainly even smaller. Of course there was Rimbaud... Keats... DeQuincey... Milton... and perhaps even yourself, JBI. But such are great exceptions, are they not?
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Just because I don't appreciate Shakespeare as much as you do, doesn't mean I haven't read a lot of literature..
and I have. Not everyone LOVES Shakespeare. Whether you've read a lot of literature or not.
Yes, i'm 17. So what. What does age have anything to do with it? in my case, nothing. You don't even know me.
You're making assumptions about me because I said I don't like Shakespeare. I'm not stupid, i'm not "uncultured" i'm not whatever you may be thinking because I don't appreciate much of Shakespeare's work. How much and what literature I have read has nothing to do with my liking of Shakespeare. Period. Your comments were insulting and quite unpleasant. You must greatly underestimate your follow man if you are so willing to pass me off with a comment like " You're 17 ". I know what you implied - it was pretty uncalled for. Like I said, age means very little these days. If you can't understand that then that's your problem, and your loss.
Literary snobs...
give me a break.
I know plenty of people who have brilliant minds and they don't enjoy much of Shakespeare's works. But I guess they're just "17" right?
I didn't say he wasn't good at what he did. I just do not enjoy his work.
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Also the comment about "half the people ... " i've spoken to, haven't read Shakespeare.
Where do you get this from?
What gives you the right to make such a comment - based on what fact? air?
Oh dear, lima, chillax, will ya?
stlukesguild is a good man, not a literary snob.
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Okay, fine, alright. I'll take the literary snob comment back because unlike some people - i'm not going to assume.
I just don't like it when people pass judgements on me without getting to know me.
And then when people do get to know me, they act surprised or something.
I don't get it. But I don't get people, so there you go.
Also i don't need to chill out.. relax.. chillax, whatever the heck it is.
I'm just defending myself, like anyone else would.
Perhaps it would be better if you gave a reasoned response as to why exactly shakespeare sucks or is overrated.
With so many people & also the fact you still really new to the forum there is little way to know people & so we end up having to judge them by their comments and info available from the profile & unfortunately there are a number of 17 y.o kids who are like StLukes suggests - if you dont wnat to be taken for one of them it would be benificial to provide reasoning.
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I think his writing is fantastic, very clever and quite brilliant.
But I never found his work entertaining like many others did. It didn't capture my attention or made me feel a way someone who writes that beautifully should.
Perhaps people should hold back from expressing their judgements until I give my reasoning. My age has nothing to do with who I am.
Well, I don't want to get into the thick of a heated battle, but lima, when you posted that you felt that Shakespeare was 'overrated', well that may get under the skin of a lot of people here. And, as Kilted has pointed out, when there is a new poster with only a few posts that we can get to know them on, well a reasonable backup to such a statement would be in order. To maybe fill others in on why you felt that he was overrated, ya know?
Just my two bits worth.
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Permit me to defend stlukesguild here. (Let it be known that I waiver in my defence, for I am more a friend to limajean. Nonetheless, this conflict needs resolving.)
Though I must admit that stlukesguild's comment, "And Mozart sucks too. Give me a break," was a tad provocative, I don't think he was judging you much at all. He referred to your age because most 17 year olds, that is, the people you talk to about Shakespeare (the assumption that you talk mostly to those who are your own age is logical here), haven't read him, unless it was mandated that they do so. He didn't say anything like, "You're 17, and as such you don't know what you're talking about." His judgements, I believe, targets the people you talk to about Shakespeare, not you.
My goodness, this topic has been severely thrown off track.
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Look, I can see that most people are going to disagree with me and clearly can not see nor understand my point. Yes I am 17. Perhaps I should stamp that on my forehead to prevent anyone engaging in any form of literary discussion with me. My point is, my age has little to do with who I am. I can understand and do acknowledge the stereotypes associated with my age and literature, but before that be applied to me, I ask that all of you who are judging me - make an attempt to gain insight in to my character and try to dissociate yourself from the age group that I belong to. Before passing me off as just another 17 year old who spits on Shakespeare's work.
And no Dori, I have to disagree with you. I think there was a strong sense of " Oh, she's just another 17 with little understanding of literature " due to my comment about Shakespeare.
Now, on my opinion of Shakespeare. That is just it, an opinion. And why should I not be entitled to it? it may get under the skin of a few of you, but that is inevitable. It is the beauty of free expression and discussion. Also, my comment about him being overrated I feel has been blown out of proportion and though I have not explained what I meant - I feel that comments were made in attack before I had the opportunity to explain myself, or, with the exception of Kilted, anybody asked me for my reasoning.
I do not disagree that he was a genius. He was a brilliant writer who I do agree, many can not live up to. I think I should have been more specific. When it comes to entertaining, I believe this is where his work falters. His work does not engage me. The tragedy does not make me feel sympathetic, and the comedy doesn't make me laugh. So in that sense, yes to me, he is overrated. But I do not dare to argue that he wasn't a brilliant writer.
But I do argue that maybe we should all be a little more open about people's opinions.
I know I have a lot to learn. I understand that. But I think we all do - no matter our age.
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