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    Unhappy Can you help me

    hi

    I want to help me to appaer the figuer of speech of the poem ' what should I SAY"

    THANX

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    In a struggle to parse your sentence, you need to say something about a figure of speech? Do you have a poem in mind? I understand many members do not write in English as a first language, but it is very difficult to understand how we might help you when no one can tell what you are referring to.

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    Lilyshy,

    Is this the poem you mean?

    What should I say,
    Since faith is dead,
    And truth away
    From you is fled?
    Should I be led
    With doubleness?
    Nay, nay, mistress!

    I promised you,
    And you promised me,
    To be as true
    As I would be.
    But since I see
    Your double heart,
    Farewell my part!

    Though for to take
    It is not my mind,
    But to forsake
    [One so unkind]
    And as I find,
    So will I trust:
    Farewell, unjust!

    Can ye say nay?
    But you said
    That I alway
    Should be obeyed?
    And thus betrayed
    Or that I wiste--
    Farewell, unkissed.

    Sir Thomas Wyatt

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    BY- sir thomes wyett

    What should I say,
    Since faith is dead,
    And truth away
    From you is fled?
    Should I be led
    With doubleness?
    Nay, nay, mistress!

    I promised you,
    And you promised me,
    To be as true
    As I would be.
    But since I see
    Your double heart,
    Farewell my part!

    Though for to take
    It is not my mind,
    But to forsake
    [One so unkind]
    And as I find,
    So will I trust:
    Farewell, unjust!

    Can ye say nay?
    But you said
    That I alway
    Should be obeyed?
    And thus betrayed
    Or that I wiste--
    Farewell, unkissed

    ok my brother I want the metaphor personification and simile
    thanx

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    hahhhhaahhah
    yes yes
    thanx

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    I wouldn't say simile and metaphor are so central - I think the most defining feature is the ababbcc (rime royal) but in dimeter, which makes it jarring.

    The rest relies more on schemes than tropes, I would say, it's hard pressing to find similes and metaphors.

    Of course, there is the theological aspect of the poem, and the concept of the shepherd and sheep running thru it, and to an extent I would think the shepherd is compared with a woman. I think that depends on how you read it - I see it as a religious poem, though a dark one, whereas another could possibly read it as a poem about the failure of love.
    Last edited by JBI; 01-02-2009 at 01:17 PM.

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    ok
    i will put the paraphrase of this poem if you want ?
    i want this pleasa in sooon time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilyshy View Post
    ok
    i will put the paraphrase of this poem if you want ?
    i want this pleasa in sooon time.
    I really can't understand why 'serious' members of this forum persist in helping people who just want someone else to do their school assignments for them. I've even thought of starting a tread with this question...

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    How about because one of the serious parts of literature is to try and help those less well educated, less fortunate or with fewer opportunities than ourselves? I don't wish to appear rude, but an attitude of 'serious' members is pompous in the extreme, to say nothing of elitist. By the way, if you wish to be so 'serious', you missed the 'h' out of 'thread'. Men have been put up against walls for less!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dafydd manton View Post
    How about because one of the serious parts of literature is to try and help those less well educated, less fortunate or with fewer opportunities than ourselves? I don't wish to appear rude, but an attitude of 'serious' members is pompous in the extreme, to say nothing of elitist. By the way, if you wish to be so 'serious', you missed the 'h' out of 'thread'. Men have been put up against walls for less!
    Don't worry, you don't just 'appear' rude --- your ad hominem attacks make you very clearly so. I don't consider myself elitist (not that I care about prejudiced people, who of course don't know the least thing about me, thinking that I am)... I just don't want to do anybody's homework. For me, the 'seriousness' you refer to implies accepting responsibility for your obligations, whether work-, school- or family-related. Also, your complacent assumption that the 'hey-guys-do-my-homework' supplicants are less educated or fortunate than you are is totally unfounded. Not everyone speaking bad English is poor, or badly educated. For all you know, they might be the children of a sultan. You just don't know.

    As for the 'h', it's a typo (English is not my first language either), so I don't need to worry about someone 'putting me up against a wall' for that. At least not where I come from. Although you might infer that, since I'm not a native speaker, I'm also underprivileged and less fortunate than you are. Maybe you want to give me some help too?

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