Twilight

[Allannah]

But apples and oranges are comparable...oh dear ^^ Yes, I'm being deliberately awkward. Anyway, someone was comparing War and Peace to Twilight and that is from where my comment stemmed (:

Actually, what you read does greatly influence how you write. I will present myself as a clear example; I'm Dutch and my family and I moved to England at the time that you'd usually be developing reading/ writing skills. I was never taught to read or write French, as I was learning to speak, read, and write English, but taught myself to when my mother started making me read French books. I have derived more grammar and language from those books than from any French lessons which clearly set out grammar rules and vocabulary. Although I'm sure you didn't really need or want to know that, it is quite well known that if you read voraciously, your grammar will be alike that of the material you read and that your general understanding of language will be different according to the style that you like best.

[Niamh]

Actually, what you read does greatly influence how you write. I will present myself as a clear example; I'm Dutch and my family and I moved to England at the time that you'd usually be developing reading/ writing skills. I was never taught to read or write French, as I was learning to speak, read, and write English, but taught myself to when my mother started making me read French books. I have derived more grammar and language from those books than from any French lessons which clearly set out grammar rules and vocabulary. Although I'm sure you didn't really need or want to know that, it is quite well known that if you read voraciously, your grammar will be alike that of the material you read and that your general understanding of language will be different according to the style that you like best.

you do have a valid point, but it may not have the same effect if its many different types of styles you read. I'm sure if someone only read trashy books and say young adult books, they would write in a similar style and might not use a broad vocab, and someone who mainly read classics might be influenced by them. but for someone who reads a bit of everything, it may not have as much of an effect. but who knows. I'm no expert, i'm only speculating.

[*Classic*Charm*]

I doubt that you could truly enjoy both Tolstoy and Stephene Meyer. They are of such different levels and you cannot appreciate both equally.

Are you saying that if I have the mental capacity to enjoy Stephanie Meyer, I do not have the capacity to enjoy Tolstoy? Please clarify; I find that a little offensive...

But apples and oranges are comparable...oh dear ^^ Yes, I'm being deliberately awkward. Anyway, someone was comparing War and Peace to Twilight and that is from where my comment stemmed (:

Actually, the comparison was between Anna Karenina and Twilight, when I was told that if I'm going to read a work such as Tolstoy's I should be reading more appropriate fluff.

Although I'm sure you didn't really need or want to know that, it is quite well known that if you read voraciously, your grammar will be alike that of the material you read and that your general understanding of language will be different according to the style that you like best.

The difference here is that you have deliberately applied yourself to the improvement of both your written and spoken language, and obviously you take great care when expressing yourself. Not everyone applies him or herself in the same way. Of course, there's the other option- those who speak in their first language and are simply careless, especially while typing. I know that I speak and write far more correctly than I type.

I am not suggesting that anyone spend all of their time reading heavyweight novels such as Anna Karenina; there is plenty of lighter fiction to choose from as an alternative and, of course, it's entirely up to you what you choose to read. But teenage vampires! You're kidding me right?

I've read plenty of light fiction as well as the classic literature with which I'm trying to educate myself, but that still has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that I chose to read about teenage vampires. That happened to be what I felt like reading at the time. I have openly admitted that Twilight is not of the same writing quality of other fiction, whether contemporary or classic, original language or translation. It is simply a story in which to immerse oneself, and whether or not others find that credible does not matter in the least. I really don't understand why you would suggest that the fluff I choose to read isn't appropriate..? What would you consider appropriate fluff?

[Zee.]

But apples and oranges are comparable...oh dear ^^ Yes, I'm being deliberately awkward. Anyway, someone was comparing War and Peace to Twilight and that is from where my comment stemmed (:

Actually, what you read does greatly influence how you write. I will present myself as a clear example; I'm Dutch and my family and I moved to England at the time that you'd usually be developing reading/ writing skills. I was never taught to read or write French, as I was learning to speak, read, and write English, but taught myself to when my mother started making me read French books. I have derived more grammar and language from those books than from any French lessons which clearly set out grammar rules and vocabulary. Although I'm sure you didn't really need or want to know that, it is quite well known that if you read voraciously, your grammar will be alike that of the material you read and that your general understanding of language will be different according to the style that you like best.

Well i've read a whole lot of books in my life time - you pick up different things. Of course the way I speak and my choice of words has changed, but I still use one two many commas.
It doesn't alter the fact I've probably read more books than you - even if you have better grammar than I do.

To be honest, I was quite offended too..

Allannah, maybe you should be a little more careful with what you say. I don't know you and you certainly don't know me.

I am lazy with the way i write. Period. It doesn't mean I cant express myself in the "correct way"

[Allannah]

I seem to have made a rather bad introduction to the forum xD

Once again, limajean, I apologise to you- although, I must say, I find your acceptance [or unacceptance] of it somewhat ungracious. I have acknowledged that my criticism of your post was unnecessary, but you seem intent on mantaining your unpleasant view of me ^^

How do you know, with such certainty, that you have read so many more books than I? I admit that I was being modest perhaps until the point of untruthfulness when I more or less said that I hadn't read that many books- I actually have read quite a lot, especially in proportion to my age.

Classic Charm- I don't know why you're talking about mental capacity; I never referred to it whether directly or indirectly. I would appreciate it if you at least tried to interpret what I said correctly! =] I would certainly not say that. My friend Hannah loves the Twilight series, and yet has an IQ of about a billion ^^ You have doubtless not read my former post on the previous page in which I explained why exactly I felt that you could not enjoy both authors both to the same degree.

Actually, since I was about eight or nine when I started reading books in French, I doubt that I really had the capacity to conciously "apply" myself- which is why I used myself as an example to support my point.

To anyone else that I've inadvertently offended: I'M SORRY! x]

[Zee.]

I don't know if you've read more than me - i was being snarky and mean because I was annoyed at your comment on grammar. I also have the terrible habit of arguing, it's almost addictive.

I guess we're even,

you dont need to apologise for anything.

[Allannah]

Lol, I'm the most argumentative person I know, and that's saying something x]

Who's your favourite character out of Twilight? I think mine's Jacob...purely 'cos he's abit fit...but I like Alice too. I liked the bit in the film where they're in the restaurant and Edward tells Bella that he can read minds. It's like "Money. Sex. Sex. Money. Cat" xD

[Zee.]

i don't like Twilight, so none of them really :\

The movie I really enjoyed though

[Allannah]

Yeah....my friends are making me read Breaking Dawn but I really preferred the film! It would be interesting to read Twilight from Edward's perspective, though; wasn't she going to publish something like that. Ah well. Coincidentally I just discovered that my morbidly obese hamster has eaten his way through page one of New Moon. How appropriate ^^ Lol.

[Zee.]

It's already been published, on her website.
Play around with the links and you'll find it.

[Allannah]

Okay, thanks (:

[Niamh]

its called midnight sun Allannah. It only goes up as far as before the meadow scene. But there is talk that she is going to publish it now because of petitions etc. Its interesting.

I loved that bit in the movie as well, and the guy thinking of his cat kind of lovingly sighs. had me in stitches.

[kelby_lake]

I find it amusing that Twilight seems to think it is being all burning desire/forbidden love, when they basically have a conventional boring relationship, minus the vampies butting in occasionally.

[Joreads]

Summit pictures have announced that New Moon will more than likley have release date of the 20th November 2009!!! They hope to film New Moon and Eclipes back to back so it will not be much of a wait for it either.

The obsession continues.

[aBIGsheep]

I find it amusing that Twilight seems to think it is being all burning desire/forbidden love, when they basically have a conventional boring relationship, minus the vampies butting in occasionally.

Convetional, violent, boring, vampire-baby-momma-killing, relationship.