me too.
i don't know,if i liked Jacob or not before i read Breaking Dawn, then i thought it was cute that he crushed on Renesme(not sure if i spelled it right).
what do you think?
me too.
i don't know,if i liked Jacob or not before i read Breaking Dawn, then i thought it was cute that he crushed on Renesme(not sure if i spelled it right).
what do you think?
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You mean he imprinted. That's a lot different to simply a crush.
Its never a simple, good or bad, not with anything for that matter, but i assume you're quite young so it's understandable - do correct me if i'm wrong.
Jacob adds another dimension to the books, he is able to bring out certain aspects of Bella you might not otherwise see. I'm not going to get all heavy and analyze it much because it's not much to analyze but when Bella falls for Jacob it only confirms that her love for Edward is that much stronger - because she chooses him.
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limajean hits the nail right on the head with that one. Bella does love Jacob but it has nothing on her love for Edward and I would goes as far as to say it is not even really love but a deep friendship. I think his character is used to confirm that point for the reader.Originally Posted by limajean
Spolier question ahead
Speaking of Breaking Dawn what theories do you have for why Bella was able to control herself so well when she was a new born vampire?
I read Twilight, and "good fluff" is an excellent description. It's entertaining, and if the prose is hit or miss, well, that means that there are hits as well as misses.You know, that entire series is good..fluff.
I'm way outside this book's target demographic, but even I think it's pretty good storytelling. It leaves me pondering though... what is the deal with romance and vampires? From Bram Stoker's original, so full of repressed Victorian sexuality, through Buffy The Vampire Slayer and her trials and tribulations with Angel and Spike, and now with the Twilight series, why are vampires and romance (okay, sex) so often... well... bedfellows? I understand that in the world of publishing, there is an entire sub-genre, within the Romance genre, of Vampire Romance.
It's a bit odd.
Reading Twilight, I could imagine parents having fits that their daughters were reading this. It's not just the Forbidden Romance angle. It's that Bella is so... subserviant. She practically celebrates her weakness, her helplessness before this moody, dangerous, beautiful older (!) boy. Reading Twilight, I got the distinct impression that Feminism is dead.
curlyqlink I am way outside the demographic also with this book. I actualy read the first book for our bookclub January read. There is no one in our group under 30 and some a quite a bit older than that and everyone that has read the book so far has loved it. many of us have gone on to read the whole series, I should point out we are all women.
Have you read the rest of the books? I would exactly call Bella subserviant, she is quite strong willed when it suits her. As for Edward being older I don't want to give to much away if you haven't read the other books and are planning on but they actually have more in common than you think when it comes to sex.
The novels are very senual but then most vampire literature is and that is part of their appeal. Really it is the ultimate love story when you think about it you could not get two people more wrong for each other and yet more right for each other if that makes sense. There is one line that sums it up I guess sums it up for me
Edward to Bella "You have no idea how long I have waited for you"
Romance and yes sex sells and with vampires you have the added element of danger and action.
I have read all 4 books just this past week. I saw the movie before I read the books and I am glad that I did. Yes the books are way better than the movie but I liked the movie just because it was visual. When our imagination from the books became pictures and we could see them. I have realized that I am in love with Edward Cullen but in a very different way. I am not in love with his because he is cute, I like him because of what he says and does towards Bella.
Anyways, I do recommend that everyone should read the series because it is an easy read, well wrote book, and a wonderful escape from reality.
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Okay, I'm a bit of a forum heavy-weight, I've been around, mainly ghosting, forum heavy-weight nevertheless, and a recent pattern that has emerged, is the hatred of the Twilight series. Yes some of the fans are ... well ****s, perhaps it isn't the best book in the world, but I've felt a lot of hostility towards it. I enjoy reading the likes of Poe and Austen, I can appreciate the quality there, but I like Stephanie Meyer there, why the problem?
I don't want to be starting anything, but I'm just curious. How do you feel about the Twilight series?
It's just that not everybody who contributes to this site are teenagers who have an infantile fixation with vampires, wizards or whatever the current craze happens to be. There have been some interesting threads which have been spoiled by people, some of whom are old enough to know better,who witter on about such irrelevancies as though they had some genuine literary value. Having survived the Harry Potter syndrome, it looks as though we are going to be subjected to posts discussing the love life of a teenage vampire.
The only reason I know anything about Twilight is because posts about it are already beginning to infect the forum.
Perhaps Lit Net should run a junior forum for this kind of stuff.
Because this is a literature website. Whilst Twilight is a nice story, seeing girls drooling over card board cut out vampires at bookstores isn't something i want to see.
And to be honest - there is such great work out there, that it seems a shame most young people aren't exposed to it.
I'm not too old to like Twilight, I'm too creative to allow myself to bathe in third-rate drivel. Many of my friends read the books - but [spoiler] when a pregnant woman has to become a vampire to stop her half-breed demonchild fetus from eating its way out of her stomach [/spoiler] I draw the line. That's just silly nonsense, not creativity.
Also, im a big fan of "traditional" Vampire characters.
So reading Twilight kind of annoyed me.
I actually read the first book because I take it upon myself to understand these phenomena. I didn't like it. First of all on a sentence-by-sentence basis the writing is bad. Second of all there is no character development. I don't like books where the main character is so flat and without flavor that the reader just projects herself onto her, which soon becomes an emotional ride when this thing she's projected herself on starts lusting for a vampire. It seems to me just a cheap trick. Third, it's indistinguishable from a soap opera other than all the dressy vampire elements. Really, the way all of the characters behaved was sappily unrealistic and the dialog made me role my eyes. There are too many books that are enjoyable for me to bother with an entire series that makes me cringe.
"To try to be informed and literate today is to feel stupid nearly all the time, and to need help." - DFW
I look it as a popular phenomenon, a phase, similiar to high grossing movies like Spider-Man or Transformers, or the constant pop-drivel in music. The majority of these artistic creations (because you can't really just dismiss Twilight as not being an artistic creation), don't stand up to analysis. That's to be expected. The majority of people are not film critics, music critics, or, especially not, literary critics.
My friends and family (especially my parents) often say that I'm too critical in how I view art, but I don't very well understand how I am to appreciate and judge a given work of art without criticizing it.
To me, the claim that books like Twilight aren't meant to be taken that seriously is a cop-out. You can't say something is impervious to critical analysis, and then wonder why no one in the so-called-literary elite doesn't like it.
It is one thing to enjoy a crappy novel. For a fact, I've enjoyed at least one or two genre books that I bought from a grocery store. But this is a literary forum. If you want to know why everyone is panning Twilight, it is because the nature of this forum is to discuss, in earnest, literature. This doesn't mean just a passive "Oh I liked that part" discussion, but involves looking beyond just the picturesque surface.
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For awhile, i thought i could escape twilight via these forums.
But here it is...
Ive read and seen interviews with stephanie and it seems like she doesnt even know much about her own characters, as if she never really developed them.
Most of the time it seems like she just pulled her answers from thin air because she had to give an answer.
To me it's OK.
I read Twilight but not any of the sequels because the first book didn't do the elusive 'it' for me.
If you like it though, go on and like it. I, for one, have plenty of guilty pleasures of my own
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