The Christian Hell

[skasian]

I'd just like to add a couple of things here, foremost of which is that while the description of your post wasn't all that polite, he hasn't attacked your character, so maybe it's a little premature to start attacking his?

Anyway, enough said, because this is an interesting thread and it would be a shame for it to be closed.

I want to look at your comment about "spitting on people's beliefs".

You have your views on Hell, which you're most welcome to, but I want you to stop and think about something for a second.

So far, in this thread, you've made 23 posts - almost half the thread.

Here is a selection:

That tends to create a sense of irony when added to this:



I'd just like to sit back for a few minutes and ask yourself what you are really doing. Evangelising is all very well, but your posts seems to be more like someone desperately needing confirmation. We know and understand your beliefs, so I'm a bit confused as to why you keep repeating them.

Also, you possibly need to understand that the constant chant of "believe in god or go to hell" can be irritating. It doesn't bother me, because I'm pretty thick-skinned, but try turning the other cheek, as it were, and consider how you'd feel if someone stoood constantly shouting at you, "You don't believe in the Great, Green Arkleseizure, you will spend the rest of eternity as a handkerchief, bwahaha!" Some people see that every bit as bad as spitting.

I trust you take this in the manner which I offer it - just a polite chat between two Kiwis.

I wouldnt be affected as much if he attacked my character rather than my religion, this is because I hold my religion more importantly than in my character. I think it is worse for a person to attack a religion than in anything and most every one that are deeply religious would feel this.

The only reason why I have made many posts here is because most of the people reply to my opinions, therefore it results in reciprocating as much as their posts.

The only reason why I post up my views of Christianity is because people ask something and my views may be the solutions for them. I do not wish to repeat the same views, but how could I not when people ask something that is relevant in the same line? This thread is Christian Hell after all isnt it? Apart from atheist and other religious views on it, what more can there be then Christian views in it? What did you intend in this thread apart from insults?The bottom line is that people ask about the Christian hell and the most close answer to it is a view from a Christian.

And I think you have the wrong idea, I am not saying to non Christian people that they are going to hell and they must believe in it, I am giving the Christian idea of who may go to hell and how to stop it. I am not directly telling atheists that you are going to hell. Never. I speak of the Christian faith as a Christian. Convert to Christianity or not, I do not mind. If people dont want to hear a Christian view on the Christian hell (which will be strange) please tell me so I dont have explain your enquires.

I believe that you have caused me no trouble, and I respect that you are talking in such manner which some people do not have the imprudence to do so.

[skasian]

See, now you're missing my point. If you worshipped flying seahorses, i wouldn't care. But i do start caring when you're telling people on this board that if they don't believe in Jesus Christ, they're going to hell.

So don't you dare try to tell me i'm the one without respect. I don't need you to pray for me. See that's the thing about so many of you extreme christians, you think everyone else in the world needs saving. I know of no other religion like yours, it is so unaccepting of other people's faith and condemns them to hell for not accepting it, and that is absolutely ridiculous.
I don't accept Jesus Christ, never will, my beliefs don't allow me too - so when you're telling me i'm going to hell for that, who then is the one spitting on someone else's beliefs?
I think that might be you.

Also i don't see you willing to talk about other people's beliefs - from what i can see, you seem pretty intent on shoving jesus down our throats.

Please read what I have wrote for The Atheist, I am not directly telling people that if you dont believe in Jesus you are not going to heaven, it is a Christian rule and all I did was share it with you. If it affected you, then just accept or leave it as there is such a rule. There is no reason to deprave that you dont accept it. Thats absolutely ludicrous. Note that most religions have such rules that may leave the atheists in state of skeptism. But it gives you no authority to insult. Accept or leave it, but dont ever insult in beliefs that you do not follow.

[skasian]

That is not only so morally backwards but, simply stupid. And i highly doubt a God that could create such beauty and mystery in our world, could be so stupid and cruel.

Your thoughts do not support that Christianity is "simply stupid." You need a full discussion to support that it is "simply stupid." read what I wrote for andrew, and get a sense of Christian faith before blasting an inane invalid statement as "simply stupid." Insulting something you have lack knowledge makes your thoughts invalid. Insulting God equally is inane of you. As God is perfect and pure, it makes you wrong, incorrect and impure.

[Delta40]

I was 35 000 ft in the air yesterday looking down at the clouds above the bluest of blue oceans. The clouds seemed like giant seashells and they tapered off into the distant horizon, where above them was a white diamond light. It was like a pathway to the opening to heaven. I cried then. My father is terminally ill. I could imagine him walking this path. I felt in myself that only God could create something as majestic as this.

I have read the other threads. I know how the world in a scientific context was created and I have read the posts about hell. It seems to me that for the living, it is not enough. When a loved one is dying, rational explanations won't do at all. The loss of a loved one contrasted with the posts of this thread, is unsettling and disappointing. I am struck by the lack of humanity. How ironic.

I hope without naming names, respect for the beliefs of others is adopted in the same way it is commanded.

[skasian]

Skasian, you hold a belief that means everyone who disagrees with you burns in Hell for all eternity. And you blame others for not respecting you?

What happens when a fundamentalist-type or Christian person who goes strictly by scriptures disagrees with me? At worst, I insult his grandmaw.

What happens when I disagree with him? Oh, I just spend eternity with my eyeballs boiling in their sockets, my internal organs sizzling furiously in their own superheated blood, every single one of my long-gone nerve cells afire with the most hellish pain available, driven straight into me by my Creator forever and ever and ever, to no end, ever. Ever. Never ever. No end. It just keeps going. Never stops. Ever. Just goes and goes, but nobody knows why. Why? We don't know. Vengence, the book says, just like teenagers and really stupid people like. But it can't be that, that would be too silly. For it just goes and goes. More pain. For ever and ever more and more and never and never stop. Like this except ten bajillion times worse. Even worse than this. Forever. I mean ever. It doesn't stop. Never! And then it keeps going. And going. Wish there was a better word than etcetera....

I know I'm just a dumb ol' non-believer and all, and if I had a lick of sense I'd agree with you, but that just don't seem fair to me, or in any way respectful.

Seems more like cheating to me, since those ideas don't come from you but are from a book, or from what someone told you, or are a feeling you have. So you have no responsibility at all for what you believe. How godlike of you. I'm all for feelings and inner spiritual convictions, but it strikes me as weird when other people have to suffer for them.

I read the King James Edition cover-to-cover and didn't get very inspired by it at all. Bored, mostly. Call me strange, or damned, but I like spiritual writing that isn't about punishment and vengeance, but about love and forgiveness.

You have a Savior, but I ask why? What are we supposed to be saved from? From being human? Being stupid and bad more often than we should be? If God made us like this and expected us to act like more than darn fools most of the time, He's dumber than I think. Fella like that must have got lucky on this universe, what with gravity and all.

God is love. And that is that. We are already forgiven. I almost even forgive myself. Maybe someday. And I do forgive you, Skasian. I know you are a soul of Love, with all the best intentions, who had no idea how hurtful her creed was to others. You didn't realize when you entitled this thread Christian Hell, that you were making one for yourself. Oops. Don't blame us, you started it, believe it or not. Sometimes it is your responsibility, alas.

Please don't post any quotes from some book as a response, thanks. I would much rather hear you speak from your heart and mind, even if it is only anger.

"Skasian, you hold a belief that means everyone who disagrees with you burns in Hell for all eternity. And you blame others for not respecting you?"
With common sense, the answer is yes. Not respecting someone that holds different view from you especially in religion is wrong in everyway.

Let me point this out, This thread was created by The Atheist, not me. So please dont point the finger at me that I "started it, believe it or not." It is true that I have committed myself to explain the Christian rules of Christian hell, but who doesnt want a truthful aspect to that specific religion?
What I dont understand from all of you is that when you have committed yourself to discuss a religion's hell that you do not believe and hear something that you dont want to hear, whats the point of having a discussion in it? Leave it if you dont think it is right rather than insulting it. Again, its common sense.

What you have been misunderstanding is that I am not wanting people to be mad at the rules that seems wrong to them, ever. If you do have problems about Christian hell and the rule that follows, please just accept of leave it as it is, theres no reason to be angered that it seems wrong and that you disagree. Respect all religions.
And I have never quoted from the Bible before, I always posted the views of Christianity.

You have asked why we have a saviour, let me give you an insight of the Christian faith. Yes you are correct about being saved from Jesus by "Being stupid and bad more often than we should be?" and saving us from going to hell. He gives us salvation, hope and light.
I will be deeply resented if someone replies this with how they think this is "simply stupid" again lets respect all religion and their values, rules that they have.

[skasian]

I hope without naming names, respect for the beliefs of others is adopted in the same way it is commanded.

Thank you, and everyone please, lets RESPECT other peoples belief no matter how contrasting it might be with yours.

I am deeply sorry for your father, I hope your last moments with him will be the very best moments of your life that you had with him.

[Zee.]

Your thoughts do not support that Christianity is "simply stupid." You need a full discussion to support that it is "simply stupid." read what I wrote for andrew, and get a sense of Christian faith before blasting an inane invalid statement as "simply stupid." Insulting something you have lack knowledge makes your thoughts invalid. Insulting God equally is inane of you. As God is perfect and pure, it makes you wrong, incorrect and impure.

That's my point! god isn't stupid. So it makes no sense to me that he'd send good people to hell just because they "don't believe".

It's YOU who seems to be doing the insulting here. You seem to believe that he'd send good people to hell because they don't believe. And please, don't argue against that point because you stated quite clearly that "non believers" burn in hell. So who has more faith in your God, You or me? I mean..i'm not the one saying he wants to throw innocents into a pit of fire.

[Zee.]

Skasian, if you're going to make a point, at least stand by it.

Don't insult me or anyone else by trying to justify your comments about people burning in hell.

[skasian]

That's my point! god isn't stupid. So it makes no sense to me that he'd send good people to hell just because they "don't believe".

It's YOU who seems to be doing the insulting here. You seem to believe that he'd send good people to hell because they don't believe. And please, don't argue against that point because you stated quite clearly that "non believers" burn in hell. So who has more faith in your God, You or me? I mean..i'm not the one saying he wants to throw innocents into a pit of fire.

What is your point? It changes so easily that it seems that you dont even understand what you are thinking.
And let me just ask this one thing. Are you insulting Christianity just because of an aspect doesnt make sense to you? What is your problem? Just because you dont understand an aspect you decide to insult? Why would you do this? Having no sense therefore insult : you have to be joking. If you want to understand something and make sense to you, ASK NICELY. Any children age of 5 would know this. This question have been asked before in a thread, and I have answered that seemed to end the enquiry with not much hassle. YOU JUST HAVE TO ASK AN EXPLANATION THAT WILL MAKE AN ASPECT MAKE SENSE TO YOU. Your incoherence gives you no authority to insult. You are simply insulting at yourself for your incoherence.

If you want to know why God seems to be throwing innocent to hell, then JUST ASK. Thats all you have to do. You dont need to insult at something becuase you have lack the knowledge of that concept. It incredibly unacceptable that you may insult just because of your lack of knowledge.

[skasian]

Everyone, please do not insult or rebuke Christianity or any other religion you are not familiar or just because you disagree.
Even though some religious aspects may be different or disagreeable to your views, please do not insult as you are insulting the gods and the people that dedicate their lives to. Let’s be consistent and RESPECT others. It is not too hard. If you disagree in an aspect, move on or engage in a POLITE discussion with someone. If an aspect doesnt make sense to you, POLITELY ask someone for an explanation or just move on without the unnecessary remarks.

Or else there are no reasons to discuss religious aspects or religion altogether if we do not learn to respect and leave the aspects you feel strongly against.

[Zee.]

What is your point? It changes so easily that it seems that you dont even understand what you are thinking.
And let me just ask this one thing. Are you insulting Christianity just because of an aspect doesnt make sense to you? What is your problem? Just because you dont understand an aspect you decide to insult? Why would you do this? Having no sense therefore insult : you have to be joking. If you want to understand something and make sense to you, ASK NICELY. Any children age of 5 would know this. This question have been asked before in a thread, and I have answered that seemed to end the enquiry with not much hassle. YOU JUST HAVE TO ASK AN EXPLANATION THAT WILL MAKE AN ASPECT MAKE SENSE TO YOU. Your incoherence gives you no authority to insult. You are simply insulting at yourself for your incoherence.

If you want to know why God seems to be throwing innocent to hell, then JUST ASK. Thats all you have to do. You dont need to insult at something becuase you have lack the knowledge of that concept. It incredibly unacceptable that you may insult just because of your lack of knowledge.

My point has never changed, not once, you'd know that if you read my points properly. Which, if you had, would take note that i wasn't insulting Christianity, i was insulting extremists like yourself.

[skasian]

I bet that child in The Atheist's avatar has been through hell quite a few times...
But i suppose..if they dont believe in jesus they deserve to stay there and rot with the rest of us, right?

Ridiculous. That whole religion is flawed.

Are you sick of yourself to contradict so easily?
I think you need a break

[skasian]

limajean. When you say the whole religion Christianity is flawed, it means you are insulting Christianity. Do you understand this? Please stop contradicting yourself.

[Delta40]

I'm sorry people can't conduct a discussion without getting personal. I really would like to hear answers from both sides.

You're both hairsplitting and point scoring now in your way. Why not discuss the topic without considering the respondent a source of angst?

[skasian]

I'm sorry people can't conduct a discussion without getting personal. I really would like to hear answers from both sides.

You're both hairsplitting and point scoring now in your way. Why not discuss the topic without considering the respondent a source of angst?

I never mentioned a word about how people shouldnt make a personal discussion, I only want people to respect other people's belief even though it may be strongly disagreeable to their terms.
I never consider this as a point scoring system, and I never intend it to be.