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    Crime and Punishment: Part III, Chapter Two

    In this chapter, we see that Razumikhin is rather ashamed and overcome with regret due to the things that he had told the others the night before (recall that he was drunk for most of the night, with the housewarming party). Although he initially claimed that he was attracted to Dunya, he renounces this notion as being literally absurd; however, he takes care to dress himself with extra care that morning, as he knows that he is about to visit the mother and the daughter, Pulcerhia and Dunya. And, although he made the comments the night before (recall that there were two comments), the mother and the daughter are actually glad to see him, in spite of what he said. He tells both of them that Raskolnikov is doing somewhat better that morning.

    Later, during the conversation that he has with Dunya, Razumikhin cannot hide his feelings for her (this is directly opposed to his thoughts that the comment he made the night before was absurd). Both Dunya and Pulcheria show him a letter that was received from Luzhin, in which he requests that he not see Raskolnikov again. why? Luzhin also says (in the letter) that Raskolnikov donated a large portion of the money that was sent to him (from whom?) to the Marmeladov family. (Is this true?)

    During the ensuing conversation, Dunya tells Razumikhin that Raskolnikov should meet with her fiance regardless of what Luzhin thinks or says -- and then the chapter closes with them all going to Raskolnikov's apartment.
    Why, the whole point, the real sting of it lay in the fact that continually, even in the moment of the acutest spleen, I was inwardly conscious with shame that I was not a spiteful. I am a sicker man! I might foam at the mouth, but bring me a doll to play with, bring me a cup of tea with sugar in it, and maybe I will be appeased! I might even genuinely be touched, though probably I should grind my teeth at myself afterward and lie awake at night with shame for months after. That is my way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mea505 View Post
    Later, during the conversation that he has with Dunya, Razumikhin cannot hide his feelings for her (this is directly opposed to his thoughts that the comment he made the night before was absurd). Both Dunya and Pulcheria show him a letter that was received from Luzhin, in which he requests that he not see Raskolnikov again. why? Luzhin also says (in the letter) that Raskolnikov donated a large portion of the money that was sent to him (from whom?) to the Marmeladov family. (Is this true?)
    Luzhin is offended by Rodya's actions toward him and he has some strange idea he have a right to ask that since he is her fiancee.
    Yes, Razumihin gave money to Raskolnikov and he gave it to Marmeladov's for funeral and dinner after it.
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    So, you don't mind these "little quizzes?"
    Why, the whole point, the real sting of it lay in the fact that continually, even in the moment of the acutest spleen, I was inwardly conscious with shame that I was not a spiteful. I am a sicker man! I might foam at the mouth, but bring me a doll to play with, bring me a cup of tea with sugar in it, and maybe I will be appeased! I might even genuinely be touched, though probably I should grind my teeth at myself afterward and lie awake at night with shame for months after. That is my way.

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    If it makes you happy...
    At thunder and tempest, At the world's coldheartedness,
    During times of heavy loss And when you're sad
    The greatest art on earth Is to seem uncomplicatedly gay.

    To get things clear, they have to firstly be very unclear. But if you get them too quickly, you probably got them wrong.
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    I want to continue with them only if they are well-received by others. If not, then I will stop.
    Why, the whole point, the real sting of it lay in the fact that continually, even in the moment of the acutest spleen, I was inwardly conscious with shame that I was not a spiteful. I am a sicker man! I might foam at the mouth, but bring me a doll to play with, bring me a cup of tea with sugar in it, and maybe I will be appeased! I might even genuinely be touched, though probably I should grind my teeth at myself afterward and lie awake at night with shame for months after. That is my way.

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    Both Dunya and Pulcheria show him a letter that was received from Luzhin, in which he requests that he not see Raskolnikov again. why?

    If by 'he' you mean Luzhin, then I believe it is because his attempt to ingratiate himself with Raskolnikov was met with rejection and aversion... does he not threaten to throw Luzhin 'head over heels' down the stairs. Luzhin is a wealthy, upper-class man of much arrogance and pride. I reckon it is the latter, having been bruised, which causes him to write the letter insisting upon Raskolnikov's absence from the family gathering.

    Luzhin also says (in the letter) that Raskolnikov donated a large portion of the money that was sent to him (from whom?) to the Marmeladov family. (Is this true?)

    It was hardly a donation; more akin to a random act of compassion, caused by the witness of Marmeladov's death. Also, that isn't exactly what is said in the letter. Luzhin tries to win favour with Pulcheria and Dunya by insinuating Raskolnikov had given money to a person of dubious character (the prostitue Sonya).

    Bazarov: Yes, Razumihin gave money to Raskolnikov and he gave it to Marmeladov's for funeral and dinner after it.

    I was under the impression that the money was sent by Pulcheria to Raskolnikov, prior to her arrival in Petersburg. I seem to recall a passage in the novel where Luzhin questions Raskolnikov's giving away of money that was hard to obtain - indicating it was Pulcheria's pension money. Don't forget that Razoumikhin was a student and had little means as well. Even though he had a job as a translator, I don't believe he could afford to lend out 30 roubles.

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    Oh by the way, I like your little quizzes mea505...

    They are forcing me to think about the novel and its multiple aspects. It is always good to learn more about what you read.

    Keep it up.

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    OK, that is one for a "Yes"

    OK, I see one "YES" vote. Anyone else want to chime in? Do y'all want these quizzes to continue, yes or no?

    And, by the way, state whether you have completed the novel. I don't want to go further than some others who might not have, and spoil the fun.
    Why, the whole point, the real sting of it lay in the fact that continually, even in the moment of the acutest spleen, I was inwardly conscious with shame that I was not a spiteful. I am a sicker man! I might foam at the mouth, but bring me a doll to play with, bring me a cup of tea with sugar in it, and maybe I will be appeased! I might even genuinely be touched, though probably I should grind my teeth at myself afterward and lie awake at night with shame for months after. That is my way.

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    Well I don't know about everyone else, but I completed the novel a month or so ago. So bring on the questions
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    Another Question already posted

    I posted another question earlier today. After the holidays, i.e., Christmas, I will be more active, and post a lot more questions. If only Bazarov would come back!
    Why, the whole point, the real sting of it lay in the fact that continually, even in the moment of the acutest spleen, I was inwardly conscious with shame that I was not a spiteful. I am a sicker man! I might foam at the mouth, but bring me a doll to play with, bring me a cup of tea with sugar in it, and maybe I will be appeased! I might even genuinely be touched, though probably I should grind my teeth at myself afterward and lie awake at night with shame for months after. That is my way.

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    I am here; I was reallllyyyy buuuuuuuuusy.
    At thunder and tempest, At the world's coldheartedness,
    During times of heavy loss And when you're sad
    The greatest art on earth Is to seem uncomplicatedly gay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Beard View Post

    Bazarov: Yes, Razumihin gave money to Raskolnikov and he gave it to Marmeladov's for funeral and dinner after it.

    I was under the impression that the money was sent by Pulcheria to Raskolnikov, prior to her arrival in Petersburg. I seem to recall a passage in the novel where Luzhin questions Raskolnikov's giving away of money that was hard to obtain - indicating it was Pulcheria's pension money. Don't forget that Razoumikhin was a student and had little means as well. Even though he had a job as a translator, I don't believe he could afford to lend out 30 roubles.
    He got 100 rublyas from Razumihin for translations, right?
    At thunder and tempest, At the world's coldheartedness,
    During times of heavy loss And when you're sad
    The greatest art on earth Is to seem uncomplicatedly gay.

    To get things clear, they have to firstly be very unclear. But if you get them too quickly, you probably got them wrong.
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