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    Crime and Punishment: Part II, Chapter Two

    In this chapter, we see that Raskolnikov returns to his room and then proceeds to gather the stolen goods (the trinkets that he hid in the hole in the wall), and then takes a walk. First, he considers dumping the stolen goods in the river (which river?), but eventually, he ends up burying them under a rather large stone in a courtyard. Question: Does he know what's in the purse at this point? Why? We see him later walking around the city, in a bad mood; he is angry (at himself?), wondering about the motives for the two crimes that he committed -- well, actually, three crimes: murder times two and robbery, right? Later, on a complete whim, he visits his friend, Razumikhin, who worries about his friend's health and even offers him work doing some translations (that he is obviously behind on doing himself). Raskolnikov, however, refuses to do the translations (in spite of the fact that he is broke and owes money to his landlady), and leaves his friend, angry some more. He wanders throughout the streets of the city, with no real indication as to where he is headed, until he returns home that evening.

    Raskolnikov then falls into a deep sleep, during which time he dreams about the police detective -- who is beating up the landlady (although he thinks that this is a reality, it is actually a dream). Later, Nastasya wakes him and brings him some food and some tea; she also tells him that he was imagining the detective beating up the landlady and becomes even more concerned about his health.

    Question What is the significance of the detective (in the dream) beating up the landlady?

    Question Why does he choose not to dump the trinkets into the river?
    Why, the whole point, the real sting of it lay in the fact that continually, even in the moment of the acutest spleen, I was inwardly conscious with shame that I was not a spiteful. I am a sicker man! I might foam at the mouth, but bring me a doll to play with, bring me a cup of tea with sugar in it, and maybe I will be appeased! I might even genuinely be touched, though probably I should grind my teeth at myself afterward and lie awake at night with shame for months after. That is my way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mea505 View Post
    I First, he considers dumping the stolen goods in the river (which river?), but eventually, he ends up burying them under a rather large stone in a courtyard. Question: Does he know what's in the purse at this point? Why?
    River is Neva ( pronounced Nyeva). He doesn't know, an it's not important; he didn't killed her for money.


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    Question Why does he choose not to dump the trinkets into the river?
    Maybe he will need it later.
    At thunder and tempest, At the world's coldheartedness,
    During times of heavy loss And when you're sad
    The greatest art on earth Is to seem uncomplicatedly gay.

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    Right on One, Wrong on the Other

    Yes, the river is Neva; however, he does not throw the trinkets into the river because he is fearful that they (or some of them) may float to the top of the water, in which case, they will be found.
    Why, the whole point, the real sting of it lay in the fact that continually, even in the moment of the acutest spleen, I was inwardly conscious with shame that I was not a spiteful. I am a sicker man! I might foam at the mouth, but bring me a doll to play with, bring me a cup of tea with sugar in it, and maybe I will be appeased! I might even genuinely be touched, though probably I should grind my teeth at myself afterward and lie awake at night with shame for months after. That is my way.

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    So this is quiz. I said maybe, but also; Homo sum, et nihil humanum a me alienum puto. Hint: it's in this novel.
    At thunder and tempest, At the world's coldheartedness,
    During times of heavy loss And when you're sad
    The greatest art on earth Is to seem uncomplicatedly gay.

    To get things clear, they have to firstly be very unclear. But if you get them too quickly, you probably got them wrong.
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    Very, Very Good!

    Very. Very Good. I don't even know where to start in order to find it. You got me there! What does it mean?
    Why, the whole point, the real sting of it lay in the fact that continually, even in the moment of the acutest spleen, I was inwardly conscious with shame that I was not a spiteful. I am a sicker man! I might foam at the mouth, but bring me a doll to play with, bring me a cup of tea with sugar in it, and maybe I will be appeased! I might even genuinely be touched, though probably I should grind my teeth at myself afterward and lie awake at night with shame for months after. That is my way.

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    Point of quiz is to find answers
    At thunder and tempest, At the world's coldheartedness,
    During times of heavy loss And when you're sad
    The greatest art on earth Is to seem uncomplicatedly gay.

    To get things clear, they have to firstly be very unclear. But if you get them too quickly, you probably got them wrong.
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    You're Funny!

    OK. I will find the quote in the book! The next time you hear from me, you will receive the answer! This is a quiz. So, off I will be into the book to find the answer.
    Why, the whole point, the real sting of it lay in the fact that continually, even in the moment of the acutest spleen, I was inwardly conscious with shame that I was not a spiteful. I am a sicker man! I might foam at the mouth, but bring me a doll to play with, bring me a cup of tea with sugar in it, and maybe I will be appeased! I might even genuinely be touched, though probably I should grind my teeth at myself afterward and lie awake at night with shame for months after. That is my way.

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