The proles are ignorant because they fear the truth. "Ignorance is strength" the proles believe every word that the party says is true because going against big brother is too dangerous, especially since there are spies and the thought police.Originally Posted by Enjoi.
The Proles aren't the ones that are afraid of this. The inner and outer party are afraid of spies and thought police. The Proles don't worry about that because the Party doesn't keep tabs on the Proles. The Party does it's best to keep the Proles ignorant that way they don't have to regulate their language and thought. If they did regulate these things the Proles could become angry and the Party would not benefit from this. You have part of it right, going against Big Brother is too dangerous, but the Proles don't know this. If the Proles were involved it would not be too dangerous. A massive coup involving the Proles and the Inner and Outer Party would most certainly work, but the Proles can't do it because they are ignorant not afraid. They don't think anything is wrong. They aren't afraid, they may be afraid of the bombs, but not the thought police or spies.
They choose to be ignorant because that is what is safest for them. Just like the party members choose to believe in the lies that they help write. The fear of the government changes everyone's reactions to things. The proles know about thought police and spies, and the fear of the bombs is included here too. They drink in every word the government says because that is the easiest and safest things to do. If it is the governemt bombing them, they don't want to be the next person blown up, so it's best to just silently go on with life and agree with Big Brother.
Nope.
Who could educate them? Removal of ignorance can only be done by education. When those who might teach are vaporised, there's no chance of an alternative being mooted.
Go to work, get married, have some kids, pay your taxes, pay your bills, watch your tv, follow fashion, act normal, obey the law and repeat after me: "I am free."
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They are not aware that Party bombs them.
Official, what will you put next - 1984, Animal Farm and Burmese Days are already used
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Coming up for Air. I'm sure nobody else has ever read it.They are not aware that Party bombs them.
Official, what will you put next - 1984, Animal Farm and Burmese Days are already used
Go to work, get married, have some kids, pay your taxes, pay your bills, watch your tv, follow fashion, act normal, obey the law and repeat after me: "I am free."
Anon
Completely agree. The Party keeps the possible thinkers/educators out of existence and they keep the Proles distracted and ignorant.
Neither did IComing up for Air. I'm sure nobody else has ever read it.
At thunder and tempest, At the world's coldheartedness,
During times of heavy loss And when you're sad
The greatest art on earth Is to seem uncomplicatedly gay.
To get things clear, they have to firstly be very unclear. But if you get them too quickly, you probably got them wrong.
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Neither did I
Last edited by Foreigner038; 11-13-2008 at 09:04 PM.
sorry trying to still figure this out
It probably will not happen, but Winston knows that there is still a hope in the proles section. the only problem is, is like what you said the proles are too worried about the stupid things to worry about the big things. That possibly can and will change their lives forever, and maybe even change everything back to the way everything was. you know back to the days where the "beer was better," I think the proles should try and sneek into learning areas and maybe if they're smart enough, just maybe they can enlighten the situation and take over Big Brother.
The proles wouldn't though because they're too distracted by pornosec and the lottery. Most likely even if they chose to become educated the government would see them as a threat and have them vaporized.
I agree completely, this is what I was trying to say in my other posts. Becoming educated is too dangerous.
True, but if the government does not know it won't hurt them. Meaning if the proles don't act like they are getting smart until they revolt then Big Brother might just think nothing has changed, and how would Big Brother know if they are getting smarter. The most contact he has with the proles is, pornosec, the lottery, and the bombs he drops on their village. The proles do not have telescreens they are unwatched. So my question is how would Big Brother know that they are getting smarter if he does not watch them at all? I do agree it could be very dangerous, but i think it is a risk they have to take for the sake of themselves and the sake of everyone else.
Last edited by Foreigner038; 11-13-2008 at 10:59 PM.
Winston thinks that hope lies in Proles - of course, where else? We have two sections; Proles and The Party. I doubt Party would act against itself, so it must be Prole section. But they will never rebel, they don't realize what is happening, and they are too stupid to understand it.
They cannot choose to be educated or non educated; Party made that choice instead of them.
At thunder and tempest, At the world's coldheartedness,
During times of heavy loss And when you're sad
The greatest art on earth Is to seem uncomplicatedly gay.
To get things clear, they have to firstly be very unclear. But if you get them too quickly, you probably got them wrong.
If you need me urgent, send me a PM
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