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    I confess

    I love that
    which caresses
    me. I believe

    Love has his
    share in the
    Sun's brilliance
    and virtue

    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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    It's too bad that so little of Sappho's work has survived.

    Here's another one I like (often cataloged as fragment 16):


    Some folks say a squadron of horsemen -- others,
    Th'infantry -- still others, a fleet of warships --
    Is the greatest beauty in all the Earth; I
    say, it's your true love.

    Altogether easy it is to make this
    Clear to all, for she who in beauty others
    Far surpassed -- of Helen I speak -- her husband,
    perfectly noble,

    Left behind and went under sail to Troy, and
    Neither gave her child nor her own dear parents
    Any thought at all; but away she led her
    ...

    ...
    ...
    ... reminds me now of Anactoria,
    she who is absent.

    I would rather look on her ravishing stride
    And the shining radiance of her face than
    Chariots of Lydian make and marching
    foot soldiers full-armed.




    Quote Originally Posted by JBI View Post
    Translation is important when reading Sappho, as her works were highly closed form (she invented the Sapphic Ode, of course) and highly lyrical, though fragmentary.
    I do have a nit to pick with JBI's claim that Sappho invented the Sapphic Ode -- it's unlikely that Sappho herself actually invented the form, though she often used it.
    Last edited by bluevictim; 10-06-2008 at 08:14 PM. Reason: typo
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    At noontime

    When the earth is
    bright with flamming
    heat falling straight down

    the cricket sets
    up a high-pitched
    sniging in his wings

    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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    I do have a nit to pick with JBI's claim that Sappho invented the Sapphic Ode -- it's unlikely that Sappho herself actually invented the form, though she often used it.
    yes perhaps you are right, though as far as history is concerned, she might as well have, as Nothing beside remains, as they say. Well, perhaps Alcaeus, but yes, true point, a mistake on my part.

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    I took my lyre and said:

    Come now, my heavenly
    tortoise shell: become
    a speaking instrument

    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Muse View Post
    I love Sappho, the first time I read her, I fell in love. Her work is simplistic beuaty. So I thought I would start a thread in honor of her to share her works.
    By the way, I forgot to thank you for starting this thread!

    I was wondering, though, what it is about Sappho's poems that people here find appealing? I find it interesting that most of the poems posted in this thread have been the shortest, most incomplete fragments, and I'm curious why these clumps of words were chosen over the more substantial fragments?
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    For me, the poems I am posting are really just in order of how they appear within my book of her works. But there is something beautiful in some of the simplicity of these short works I think. For me, there is something very spiritual in her works that speaks to me on a deep level, in these fragements I think she does paint wonderful little pictures, and creates strong emotions.

    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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    Although they are

    Only breath, words
    which I command
    are immortal

    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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    That afternoon

    Girls ripe to marry
    wover the flower-
    heads into necklaces

    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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    We heard them chanting:

    First voice:

    Young Adonis is
    dyng! O Cytherea
    What shall we do now?

    Second Voice

    Batter your breasts
    with your fists, girls--
    tatter your dresses!

    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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    Code:
    Its no use 
    
    Mother dear, I 
    can't finnish my 
    weaving 
           You may 
    blame Aphrodite 
    
    soft as she is 
    
    she has almost 
    killed me with
    love for that boy

    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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    People do gossip

    And they say about
    Leda, that she

    once found an egg
    hidden under

    wild hyacinths

    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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    Here is another one of Sappho's major poems (usually cataloged as fragment 1):

    Aphrodite, richly enthroned immortal
    Child of Zeus and weaver of wiles, I beg you --
    Overwhelm me not in my heart with grief and
    trouble, my mistress;

    Rather come to me, if there ever was a
    Time when, having heard from afar my cries, you
    Heeded them, and leaving your father's golden
    chambers you came here,

    Having yoked your chariot; beautiful swift
    Sparrows led you over the lower black Earth
    Flapping close-packed wings through the middle ether
    down out of heaven

    And arrived with speed. And then you, o goddess,
    With a smile to grace your immortal visage
    Asked me what this time have I suffered, why this
    time do I summon,

    What do I most madly desire to happen
    In my heart -- "Whom this time should I persuade to
    Bring you back again into friendship? Who's mis-
    treating you, Sappho?

    Ev'n if now she flees, she will soon pursue you;
    If she now spurns gifts, she will later give them;
    If she now loves not, she will love you soon, un-
    willing if need be."

    Please come even now, and release me from my
    Difficult cares; all I desire accomplished
    In my heart accomplish, and be yourself my
    ally in battle.



    Unfortunately, it looks like there's not too much interest in Sappho here at LitNet.

    One theme that often appears in Sappho's poems is that of longing. It occurs in all of the longer poems posted so far in this thread -- fragment 96 (the poem that quasimodo1 posted), fragment 16 (the poem I posted earlier), and fragment 1 (above). In each of these poems, Sappho uses a different context to build up this theme. In fragment 96, she uses a locus amoenus, in fragment 16, she uses traditional martial sentiments, and in fragment 1 she uses a hymn. I think in all three of these poems Sappho's treatment of yearning is very effective. Anyways, just a few thoughts to see if any interest can be stirred up here for Sappho.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Muse View Post
    For me, the poems I am posting are really just in order of how they appear within my book of her works. But there is something beautiful in some of the simplicity of these short works I think. For me, there is something very spiritual in her works that speaks to me on a deep level, in these fragements I think she does paint wonderful little pictures, and creates strong emotions.
    I agree that the fragments and snippets are sometimes very evocative. It really is too bad that so much has been lost.
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    Yes I agree the idea of longing does appear quite often within her work. One of the other things which I do find very interesting about her work, and which I enjoy, is the way she so often evokes the gods, she seems to have a close personal relationship to them, and some of her poems are like little conversations to them.

    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Muse View Post
    One of the other things which I do find very interesting about her work, and which I enjoy, is the way she so often evokes the gods, she seems to have a close personal relationship to them, and some of her poems are like little conversations to them.
    Yes, especially Aphrodite, and fragment 1 is a great example.
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