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    Inconsistency Of Moral And Ethical Values.

    Does the existence of hypocrisy (Inconsistency) negate the existence of morals and ethics into non-existence?
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    the equality of death, negates the difference of morals and ethics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post
    Does the existence of hypocrisy (Inconsistency) negate the existence of morals and ethics into non-existence?
    This 'hypocrisy' inevitably negates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armenian View Post
    the equality of death, negates the difference of morals and ethics
    Can you explain that statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur lim View Post
    This 'hypocrisy' inevitably negates.
    So by understanding that wouldn't this put morals and ethics as not existing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post
    Can you explain that statement?
    by dying, whatever life we led is negated
    if you were virtious in life you are still as dead as a unvirtious person

    if your into ethic and moral philosophy, Aristotle's nicomachean ethics has some intresting stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by armenian View Post
    by dying, whatever life we led is negated
    if you were virtious in life you are still as dead as a unvirtious person
    Agreed.

    if your into ethic and moral philosophy, Aristotle's nicomachean ethics has some intresting stuff
    I've read nicomachean ethics. Infact I've read just about every book on ethics and morals as such a subject is my specialty.

    Of course the nihilist in me describes morality and ethics as fictions used to control others into bondage where beyond a fictional narrative both morals or ethics don't exist at all in actuality.

    Physical sexual rape is wrong. You should never go against someone's will like that.

    Classist rape of individuals mentally and physically through the means of poverty,lower incomes,segregation and forced class based confinements is perfectly legal or economical.

    Through the status quo it is perfectly legal, economical, and right to hold individuals to a classist or societal idealistic standard even when a large part of the time you must go against people's will in order to make profit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by armenian View Post
    by dying, whatever life we led is negated
    if you were virtious in life you are still as dead as a unvirtious person
    The theory of Karma has a different thing to say, for what we do in this life does not end up with death, and of course the seeds of Karma in this life will germinate into the kinds of life one will have in another birth.

    Karma shapes the course of everything in life.

    “Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””

    “If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.

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    i'm pretty sure karma is directed towards this life, not our future births. its a concept/tool used to straighten out the often times frustrated ego

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    What does karma have to do with this topic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post
    Does the existence of hypocrisy (Inconsistency) negate the existence of morals and ethics into non-existence?
    As without "morals and ethics" societies disintegrate, they either react to hypocricy/inconsistency or...
    Last edited by yanni; 10-05-2008 at 04:28 AM. Reason: clarification

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanni View Post
    As without "morals and ethics" societies disintegrate, they either react to hypocricy/inconsistency or...
    Please elaborate more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post
    Please elaborate more.
    bottom line: Morals, customs, ethics are the connecting tissue of any society (hence they differ, as societies do, and it's hypocritical for one society to try to impose their values onto another) and as such essential, even in a society of cannibals!

    You have, as you write, already formed your opinion on what life is, falling victim to your own "nihilist" side.

    Agreed, there is darkness all around, but yourself, a society on its own, still have to survive: Finding your private "lightswitch" is the only way.

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    bottom line: Morals, customs, ethics are the connecting tissue of any society (hence they differ, as societies do, and it's hypocritical for one society to try to impose their values onto another) and as such essential, even in a society of cannibals!
    It is the connecting tissue of any society you say.........

    That's funny I always thought the connecting tissue of society was inequality,blackmail,violence and competition where morals or ethics are just fictional masks people with privilege masquerade behind in order to cover up their participation in such acts as if to give off the appearance that their own hands are clean.

    Morality and ethics to me is classic double speak. ( Do as I say, not as I act.)



    You have, as you write, already formed your opinion on what life is, falling victim to your own "nihilist" side.
    I'm not a victim. I have accepted the cruelty and hypocrisy of humanity for what it is instead of hiding behind pretensious ideals describing them to be real when clearly they are not.

    When clearly human cruelty and control is the dominant feature of man amongst man instead of brotherly morality.



    Agreed, there is darkness all around, but yourself, a society on its own, still have to survive: Finding your private "lightswitch" is the only way.
    Yes society does survive. On inequality, violence, blackmail, double speak,competition and malice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post

    I'm not a victim. I have accepted the cruelty and hypocrisy of humanity for what it is instead of hiding behind pretensious ideals describing them to be real when clearly they are not.

    Yes society does survive. On inequality, violence, blackmail, double speak,competition and malice.
    If you see society through this lens of pessimism and then say you've accepted all these things, while ignoring/denying their opposites that undoubtedly also exist, then you have jumped into the trench of nihilism--which is like choosing to enjoy the guts of a fish rather than the filets

    whats wrong with competition. only people who cant compete complain about competing

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyjack View Post
    If you see society through this lens of pessimism and then say you've accepted all these things, while ignoring/denying their opposites that undoubtedly also exist, then you have jumped into the trench of nihilism--which is like choosing to enjoy the guts of a fish rather than the filets

    whats wrong with competition. only people who cant compete complain about competing
    If you can't compete with a man in a debate of philosophy attack the definition of his philosophy.

    ( Attack his personal character.)

    (How original.)

    Those dam impure nihilists and pessimists. The scurge and scum of humanity.
    Last edited by Mr Hyde; 10-06-2008 at 10:58 AM.
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