I believe peace doesn't exist infact I would be so bold to say that no kind of peace has ever existed.
In three thousand years of human history when has peace ever existed?
The world is conflicting and chaotic. The world has always been anything but peaceful.
If there is a person reading this thread who believes strongly in world peace please tell me what it is and how it exists.
Life is a sadistic joke with no pun line.
I'd take a bet that it did prior to human society emerging. In the beginning, early man was too busy protecting himself and his family from predation & starvation to worry about other humans.Originally Posted by Mr Hyde
Go to work, get married, have some kids, pay your taxes, pay your bills, watch your tv, follow fashion, act normal, obey the law and repeat after me: "I am free."
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I know of many people that have claimed to me that war is neccessary. I cannot subscribe to this belief though. I think that as long as humanity is greedy and envious, there will always be war. Any conflict would negate the possibility of world peace.
"I am glad to learn my friend that you had not yet submitted yourself to any of the mouldy laws of Literature."
-John Muir
"My candle burns at both ends; It will not last the night; But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends - It gives a lovely light"
-Edna St. Vincent Millay
I agree.
Because there's no such thing as human satisfaction, we will always be greedy and hunger for more.
Desire is elastic. There is no end to it.I agree.
Because there's no such thing as human satisfaction, we will always be greedy and hunger for more.
Some have said there was a sort of equilibrium amongst the veil of ignorance before the conceptual creation of knowledge emerged.
I'm more liken to agree with that myself. (shrugs.)
However if we were to go to such a time I'm sure there would be no reality of peace there either.
B-Mental stated:
It is.I know of many people that have claimed to me that war is neccessary.
Why not?I cannot subscribe to this belief though.
And when can humanity ever stop being greedy and envious? Those positions of the human expirience will never cease.I think that as long as humanity is greedy and envious, there will always be war.
World peace to me is a serious delusion that will never happen.Any conflict would negate the possibility of world peace.
Life is a sadistic joke with no pun line.
Peace is one of those subjects that we can examine on a large scale as well as on a small scale. Can we reasonably hope for world peace on a planet with 7 billion people? I don’t think so.
I wonder if we can achieve peace in our own nation, community, homes or selves. Some people need an adversary. I don’t know if that is because they want to feel that they are right and someone else is wrong, if they like conflict, if it provides distraction from self examination, or what. I think this holds true for many individuals as well as for many nations.
Maybe we could have world peace if we started in our own personal lives, homes, and neighborhoods. Still, I do believe that someone’s greed would come along and screw it all up.
I don't think there will be any kind of peace as long as there will be humans here. We can try and find peace within ourselves but with the others, that's hard. Maybe it could help if the whole planet developped a feeling of compassion and saw any human life as equal. No possessive love or passioante hate, just something in the middle.
I certainly don't think that war is neccesary. The idea sounds horrible to me. There is a difference between saying that peace might never be achieved and saying that war is indeed necessary. You make it sound as if war were a good thing.
I wish Hyde would explain why war is neccessary. It makes no sense to me. I will never subscribe to the belief that warfare achieves any end. Nations and people squabble over petty things, and then the innocent are harmed. What is the point of warfare? What makes it neccessary? As for the notion that greed and envy prevail, well, there is only oneself to control. When one learns to control their desires, it makes a step in the correct direction. What makes peace so delusional? A lofty goal perhaps, but not a delusional one. Hyde perhaps you are a pessimist?
"I am glad to learn my friend that you had not yet submitted yourself to any of the mouldy laws of Literature."
-John Muir
"My candle burns at both ends; It will not last the night; But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends - It gives a lovely light"
-Edna St. Vincent Millay
3000 years? Tsk Tsk. I'm no scientist, but I would think violence goes back far longer than that.
Of course violence goes far longer than that. I used the length of 3000 years to describe the presence of civilization.
Life is a sadistic joke with no pun line.
So peace doesn't exist then, correct?Peace is one of those subjects that we can examine on a large scale as well as on a small scale. Can we reasonably hope for world peace on a planet with 7 billion people? I don’t think so.
Not a chance.I wonder if we can achieve peace in our own nation, community, homes or selves.
Life is a sadistic joke with no pun line.
Is not destruction just as instrumental as creation itself in transforming the new? Imagine a forest on fire and what then comes afterwards.I wish Hyde would explain why war is neccessary. It makes no sense to me. I will never subscribe to the belief that warfare achieves any end.
Nations and people squabble over petty things, and then the innocent are harmed.Innocence doesn't exist. Who is innocent and who isn't?
Even self control has limits where basic instinct dominates.As for the notion that greed and envy prevail, well, there is only oneself to control.
Correct direction? Sounds like a moral judgement.When one learns to control their desires, it makes a step in the correct direction.
And what metanarrative are you using to describe correct direction?
What makes it delusional? The hypocrisy of morality and ethics in whole nations, cities, communities or towns around the world describing our species of primates as being a moral one where they also say that we aspire towards fairness and peaceful altruism as well yet the fact of the matter is that these same nations,cities, communities, and towns infact survive on inequality, unfairness, competition,war, violence,blackmail, forced isolation, forced alienation, threats, scarcity of others and malice.What makes peace so delusional?
These same cities, communities, and towns hold judgement around those who live around them in describing individuals as being either superior or inferior in various classist positions of living all the while having the audacity of preaching equality.
What do you think?
Last edited by Mr Hyde; 10-06-2008 at 10:41 AM.
Life is a sadistic joke with no pun line.
B, I think you had a beautiful post. I just want to give you a bug uppercase hug <<<<HUG>>>>.
Hyde,
I have peace in my life- within myself, within my entire family, and within my social network. Love is the answer there. The question is, what can I do to encourage WORLD peace. I don’t know, but I do what I can where I can. If everyone would make the same effort wouldn’t the world be a better place? I understand that not everyone will make that effort. What can we do about that? It seems that you are looking to justify your own beliefs about the world and you can certainly do just that. But, you could no matter what you believed. Yes, there has always been struggle. But, some would say that there has always been peace as well.
Privileged.I have peace in my life- within myself, within my entire family, and within my social network.
There's nothing you can do or anyone else for that matter.The question is, what can I do to encourage WORLD peace.
Peace will never exist. It is a illusive fictional figment of human imagination gone wild.
That will never happen.If everyone would make the same effort wouldn’t the world be a better place?
Doesn't everybody?It seems that you are looking to justify your own beliefs about the world and you can certainly do just that.
Really? Where?But, some would say that there has always been peace as well.
Life is a sadistic joke with no pun line.
Well, violence in the world, anyway, is decreasing, according to this presentation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ramBFRt1Uzk
Hyde your ideas are not good ones. What I mean is that if you are hopeless, then you will not even try, so it's a dangerous enemy.
Some people in the history of the world have lived trying to give hope. People are not hopeless, nor are they the violent hateful greedy -- etc I do not wish to write these words over and over -- people you wish to make them out to be. Some are, most are not. Some are the opposite of what you describe, and have saintly qualities. Those are rare, but maybe not quite as rare as you would think.
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