Guilty By Association. How Everyone Within Society Partakes In Human Suffering.

[Mr Hyde]

Everyone who partakes in the rituals, systemization, practices, traditions, operation, movement, belief structure, economics, standards, and politics of society affects the outcome of those suffering within it.

This includes everyone including myself. There is no escaping it.


How? Although you may not harm or cause the suffering of another personally you nonetheless partake in the systemization of society which thrives on inequality and the suffering of other human beings.

You may describe that you don't personally harm others but nonetheless you are still apart of the systemization and equation that creates human suffering or inequality where even more you consume your living within the same equation as well.

To describe this we may use a fancy if not clever legal terminology that is called guilt by association.

In order to describe guilt by association I'll use an analogy:

There is a car driver who drives a vehicle full of bank robbers to a heist. Although the driver waits outside never even stepping inside the bank in robbing by waiting outside in the car only acting as the redundant driver that same driver nonetheless is considered guilty by association.

And should the bank robbers inside should kill a bank teller or some citizen bystander even though the driver outside may disagree with the act nonetheless the driver who has a association and connection with the robbers inside is actually the foundation in which the robbers act where afterwards the driver also acts as their escape.

What do we know about society? It thrives on inequality, forced coercion, violence,competition, conflict, blackmail and deception.

What is the source and foundation of society's existence? The people.

Who supplies the need and desire of inequality within the framework of society in order to consume or thrive upon on it? The people.

The government is only the intermediary of all this suffering and inequality. The people supply the need of inequality and human suffering for their own advances,conveniences, or pleasures where the government enforces the demand.

Noone is innocent as people partaking in the systemization of society are associated with the very equations that does create inequality and human suffering. All people partaking within society is the very energy and substance that society thrives on in order to maximize inequality or human suffering for profit.

Like the driver in the vehicle within the analogy the people are the very foundation in which inequality and suffering persists even if they don't do it themselves personally. The people are the vehicle or device of inequality and human suffering in which the status quo makes up demand after hearing the supply of desiring needs by the people themselves.

Even childern are not innocent for it is they who later on growing up take up the insidious practices of their mothers and fathers. Like father like son, like mother like daughter and so forth.

The next time you think to yourself that you are innocent because you don't harm others personally you might want to ask yourself if you partake in society the same entity that is the mass producer of all human suffering and inequality.

Remember that this same society derives it's public policy by your participation, foundation, energy and support regardless of what you may feel privately.

[princesspoppi]

But there are those in society who do their best to ease suffering of others, either within their own community or the wider community. Some people are unaware of their own causes to the suffering of humanity, but there are others who are aware and try to make amends. There are many different types of people in society who have many thoughts, ideas and opinions and I do not liked to be counted as one of the selfish uncaring masses. I believe that there is always hope for a better society and that we can ease the suffering.

[armenian]

sounds like the arguement is those who dont act, are passively supporting it
i think you need more details on 'the system', your too vague

What do we know about society? It thrives on inequality, forced coercion, violence,competition, conflict, blackmail and deception.

i thkn you need to be more specific then society

society to me is the people around me, they dont thrive on such things

those are exactly what keeps it from thriving

[princesspoppi]

I agree with Armenians views on society, the people I know also do not thrive on the suffering of others.

[Mr Hyde]

But there are those in society who do their best to ease suffering of others, either within their own community or the wider community.

Philantrophy? Always the selfish motive of gaining influence, prestige, and public acknowledgement is the desire of philantrophists. ( Of course they'll use code words like altruism to blanket and hide their selfish intentions.)

Besides they always manage to not do enough where inequality prevails all the time.

They do just enough to get public recognition and attention where afterwards they fall out of the scene.

Some people are unaware of their own causes to the suffering of humanity,

Whether they are aware or not changes nothing of their involvement.

but there are others who are aware and try to make amends.

And they are doing a bang up job aren't they?

There are many different types of people in society who have many thoughts, ideas and opinions and I do not liked to be counted as one of the selfish uncaring masses.

If you partake in the equation that creates and thrives on inequality or human suffering especially if you live within it you are nonetheless still apart of it whether you are aware or unaware of it.

I believe that there is always hope for a better society and that we can ease the suffering.

I believe there is no hope. I look at a species who's nature has been the same for three thousand years.

There is no changing human nature and believe me when I say it there is no ease to human suffering either.

I agree with Armenians views on society, the people I know also do not thrive on the suffering of others.

Do you go to a grocery store?

sounds like the arguement is those who dont act, are passively supporting it
i think you need more details on 'the system', your too vague

Actually even if you do act you are still supporting the system of society which creates and thrives on inequality or human suffering.

Because as you live within such a equation by giving it energy, substance, and foundation you become part of the process that creates such circumstances for others regardless.

society to me is the people around me, they dont thrive on such things

They don't? Please explain.

[billyjack]

we're not all equal. society survives and thrives on this hard truth. we're only equal in theory, not reality.

[Mr Hyde]

we're not all equal. society survives and thrives on this hard truth. we're only equal in theory, not reality.

Precisely. Society thrives on inequality, human suffering, blackmail, forced coercion, war, conflict, deception, control,violence,alienating others, disenfranchisement, and fear.

Do you agree or were you trying to elaborate somthing else?

[billyjack]

are you sure you agree with me? i'm embracing it, affirming it. you're condemning it

[Mr Hyde]

are you sure you agree with me? i'm embracing it, affirming it. you're condemning it

If you think I'm condemning it you completely misunderstand me.

I'm merely acknowledging the reality that we live in. I also know there is no solution to such a age old reality either.

[billyjack]

my mistake. i heard words like fear, blackmail, and alienating others. i assumed there was some judgement behind these loaded terms; i'll hold off on the assumptions next time.

[Virgil]

What rubbish. Unless you can point to a society that is free of any of those ills you mentioned then you are just whining that the world is not perfect. I think everyone realizes the world has never been and will never be perfect. Utopias don't exist. Get real, or find yourself a deserted island to live.

[Mr Hyde]

my mistake. i heard words like fear, blackmail, and alienating others. i assumed there was some judgement behind these loaded terms; i'll hold off on the assumptions next time.

No worries.

What rubbish. Unless you can point to a society that is free of any of those ills you mentioned then you are just whining that the world is not perfect. I think everyone realizes the world has never been and will never be perfect. Utopias don't exist. Get real, or find yourself a deserted island to live.

I'm not whining. I'm merely making the point that all of humanity is selfish, egotistical, and hypocritical.

I'm merely making the point that we live in a amoral, inequal, conflicting, chaotic and violent world where through survival everybody tries to accumulate power in order to out do one another or that they try to satisfy their carnal pleasures without regards to others.

I think everyone realizes the world has never been and will never be perfect. Utopias don't exist. Get real, or find yourself a deserted island to live.

If that is true why does morality, political correctness, religion, and trans- humanistic goals exist if such utopic belief structures truely can never be reached in such a indifferent world of ours?

You might say utopias don't exist and yet so much of humanity is trying very hard through various labors or toils to make it possible because simply they wish for it everyday. Absurd isn't it?

Can you see the contradiction?

[Virgil]

I'm not whining. I'm merely making the point that all of humanity is selfish, egotistical, and hypocritical.

Is that supposed to be some burst of enlightenment? An original thought? I think people have been saying that from the beggining of time.

I'm merely making the point that we live in a amoral, inequal, conflicting, chaotic and violent world where through survival everybody tries to accumulate power in order to out do one another or where they try to satisfy their carnal pleasures without regards to others.

If for the hundred thousand years that homo sapiens have been on the planet it has been ths way, wouldn't you think that this is the norm? Like I asked, do you know of a society where a utopia has existed?

If that is true why does morality, political correctness, religion, and trans- humanistic goals exist if such belief structures truely can never be reached in such a indifferent world of ours?

We can always make the world better. If that is something we agree on, then let's agree on that. But your original post makes it sound like the world is a terrible place and that there is a utopia around the corner. Come on. Like I said get real.

You might say utopias don't exist and yet so much of humanity is trying very hard through labors or toils to make it possible because simply they wish for it everyday. Absurd isn't it?

It's absurd to think there is a utopia. Think about this. Do you know what life, every day life, was like two hundred years ago? Or three hundred years ago? Or two thousand years ago? Or five thousand years ago? If you can't see that life is incredibly better today than at any time in the past then I just have to throw my hands up and say we can't communicate.

[Mr Hyde]

Is that supposed to be some burst of enlightenment? An original thought? I think people have been saying that from the beggining of time.

Burst of enlightenment? Certainly not. Just a acknowledgement.

Some people paint the world to be this equal, fair, and all aspiring place to be in so I felt the need to express my contrasting perspective.

If for the hundred thousand years that homo sapiens have been on the planet it has been ths way, wouldn't you think that this is the norm? Like I asked, do you know of a society where a utopia has existed?

Of course it is the norm. I was trying to illustrate that.

Like I asked, do you know of a society where a utopia has existed?

Of course there has never been a utopic society ever. That was my point.

Of course alot of futurists these days speak about the future of humanity in almost salvation like praise in that they somehow believe we will be delivered.

We can always make the world better.

This is where we part ways for you see I look at the world as being hopeless especially in regards to human nature which I view to be in-malleable.

Appearances change but human nature always remains the same.

If that is something we agree on, then let's agree on that.

I don't agree with with what you have said.

Like I said get real.

Hope this new post of mine clears up things. As billyjack said I'm merely embracing and affirming reality for what it is.

[Virgil]

Burst of enlightenment? Certainly not. Just a acknowledgement.

Some people paint the world to be this equal, fair, and all aspiring place to be in so I felt the need to express myself.

Well the people who paint the world as such are wrong. And perhaps irresponsible. And who says that equal is fair? If someone works twice as hard and gets the same pay as another who doesn't that is injustice. You see there can never be total justice because of all the complexities in the world.

Of course it is the norm. I was trying to illustrate that.

Of course there has never been a utopic society ever. That was my point.

Of course alot of futurists these days speak about the future of humanity in almost salvation like praise.

Well, then this seems to be the contrary point to your openning post in this thread.

This is where we part ways for you see I look at the world being hopeless especially in regards to human nature which I view to be in-malleable.

I certainly don't believe that human nature can be altered. It's in our genetic make up. Unless we mutate into angel-like personalities then we are what we are. Is that hopeless too? Perhaps. But I just accept it and try to make the best of it.

Hope this new post of mine clears up things. Also I was just affirming reality in this thread.

I was not making a judgement on anything.

Ok. Peace. Happy discussing.