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    Novel or Counterfeit?

    Dostoyevsky's enigmatic work, "The Gambler" is neither a novel nor not a novel. It is a counterfeit novel and it is intended to be read as such. I come to that conclusion because it is clear from his other works that this author knows exactly how to write a novel and has done so on many other occasions --- so if in this case he wrote something very strange that starts out as if it were a novel and then collapses in on itself I have to assume he did so on purpose...Does anyone else read the story like this besides Peter Hodgson and myself?

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    well, ain't it beautiful?

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    Considering he only had a month to write this, I don't think he started writing The Gambler as a long novel.

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    I read the story its very beautiful,specialy when he describle the old princes loosing her rubla after she was lucky the first time.

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    It's his description of his feelings he had while he was gambling, so he didn't need that much time or inspiration to write it.
    At thunder and tempest, At the world's coldheartedness,
    During times of heavy loss And when you're sad
    The greatest art on earth Is to seem uncomplicatedly gay.

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    I read 'The Gambler' a decade ago and I still remember my shock when Alexei Ivanovich runs off to Paris with Mademoiselle Blanche De Cominges.

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    I'm actually a touch confused about her (Blanche de Cominges)- what exactly does she do? Is she a prostitute or a paid companion or just a huge mooch?
    I'm weary with right-angles, abbreviated daylight,
    Waiting for a winter to be done.
    Why do I still see you in every mirrored window,
    In all that I could never overcome?

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    Blanche de Cominges is a femme fatale who uses her seductive powers to survive comfortably in a hard world. Her victims, including young Alexei Ivanovich, are invariably complicit in her seduction.

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    Young starlet is now days term; I believe.
    At thunder and tempest, At the world's coldheartedness,
    During times of heavy loss And when you're sad
    The greatest art on earth Is to seem uncomplicatedly gay.

    To get things clear, they have to firstly be very unclear. But if you get them too quickly, you probably got them wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *Classic*Charm* View Post
    I'm actually a touch confused about her (Blanche de Cominges)- what exactly does she do? Is she a prostitute or a paid companion or just a huge mooch?
    to quote machado de assis:
    "marcela amou-me durante quinze meses e onze contos de reis"
    (marcela loved me for 15 months and 11 thousand quid)

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    Quote Originally Posted by weltanschauung View Post
    to quote machado de assis:
    "marcela amou-me durante quinze meses e onze contos de reis"
    (marcela loved me for 15 months and 11 thousand quid)
    Hahaha


    Thanks everyone, that's what I thought but I wanted to make sure!
    I'm weary with right-angles, abbreviated daylight,
    Waiting for a winter to be done.
    Why do I still see you in every mirrored window,
    In all that I could never overcome?

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    I bought a second-hand hardback copy of Poor Folk & The Gambler (one volume) nearly a decade ago. It has an introduction by C.J. Hogarth & was published by Everyman's Library, J.M. Dent & Sons. It is in good condition. I have no idea who the translator was though. Many of the early translations of Dostoyevsky into English were by Constance Garnett. Has anyone seen a copy like this? It is a brown (cloth) hardback 17.4 centimetres long by 11 wide & a couple of cm thick.
    Last edited by Red-Headed; 06-06-2009 at 04:22 PM.
    docendo discimus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gladys View Post
    Blanche de Cominges is a femme fatale who uses her seductive powers to survive comfortably in a hard world. Her victims, including young Alexei Ivanovich, are invariably complicit in her seduction.
    yes, although also a fine reflection of the willing victim in alexei ivanovich...a combination of his easy come easy go money and being overpowered by her will...very interesting 10 pages of him in paris w/ her spending money...

    he wasn't stingy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by country doctor View Post
    yes, although also a fine reflection of the willing victim in alexei ivanovich
    A gambler, one might say.
    "Love does not alter the beloved, it alters itself"

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