Knowledge is nothing but a fetter on us. Ignorance is bliss many a time.
Knowledge is nothing but a fetter on us. Ignorance is bliss many a time.
“Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””
“If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.
I think the acquisition of knowledge is one of the few things, thus far, which separates humanity from other species, at least, in the progressive sense. Animals learn, but apparently cannot progressively build on that towards advancing, probably due to design. *We* became bipedal and developed a thumb, and stole from avian brains, apparently, to develop speech. Sometimes the mere biological odds stun me in amazement--however, bipedalism, opposable thumbs, a voice box and a large brain make the advancement of knowledge possible, even as generations die off for the next.Originally Posted by TheFifthElement
I think you have to define "valueless", because you cannot know that Yahweh parted the Red Sea. You either believe Yahweh parted the Red Sea or think the biblical writers were waiting for Charlton Heston.If you think that knowledge brings value, how do you separate 'good' knowledge, and that which is valueless?Knowing your birth date may be less important than knowing how to contact police, but neither fact is valueless.
Knowledge gives peace and liberation.
In what way? I know how to get published for money now much better than I did when I was 24, but when I was 24 I was vastly happier than I am today. Religious teachings and persistent study of them is not necessarily knowledge acquisition, and you might consider not confusing knowledge with your new age sentiments.
No. Of course it is not.
I would never say something like that and I don't take the topic so lightly as to brush it off-- everyone has their own opinion, and I try to respect those. The sharing of ideas on a forum such as this has such positive potential, and it shouldn't be used for anything else. I come to share my ideas, not to tell anyone that they are wrong, or that they are barred from knowledge because they don't think what I think.
I would aver that we should study all things of interest, the physical sciences as well as the mental; art, literature, philosophy, so many subjects to learn parts of the working world.
One person developed calculus, and then later they discovered it to perfectly accurately describe the way the world works, and they used it as a mathematic tool, since it was correct and not wrong or incomplete. I believe there are also laws that have to do with spiritual worlds. Many others believe things like this also, as well as many disagree. Hopefully the channels for communication will stay open for this.
When I say knowledge is liberating, I mean knowledge of the self. It is something that is cultivated over many years, and we never stop learning. We learn from our parents, our teachers, and our peers. We learn from example, from words, actions, and from teachings in books, as well as from our television and other media. Knowledge of the self is something the Buddhists call enlightenment, the Hindus call liberation, the Christians call salvation.
It is just peace, Jozanny, I do not mean anything more than that. I am not making a commentary on morality, I'm only giving my own ideas.
Last edited by NikolaiI; 09-09-2008 at 08:37 PM.
Knowledge of anything takes you downward spiritually. Spirituality has little to do with knowledge and often times people mistakenly liken Gyana, a Sanskrit word to knowledge he misconstrues it.
Knowledge tangles you with worldly propensities and Gyana disentangles clear all the tangles wrapping you up.
“Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””
“If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.
Knowledge simply makes people envious and foolhardy to attain it.Fundamental ones would do.And blazeofglory's reply seems to be meaningful.
Knowledge leads to more confusion.
“Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””
“If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.
Good knowledge is like a candle which is lighting your way. You can find it in any thing you have a strong desire to learn it but pay attention!! Not any a strong desire for learning some thing is good knowledge.
As for me, I put one goal in my life an i consider it good knowledge. I did my best to learn one thing, but all my efforts haven't any benefits. So, until now I am fighting to gain it.
TheFifthElement
thanks for this unique thread (*_*)
What you say is true in a temporal sense, but not in an absolute sense.
Who exists? Of all that do, what percentage have some kind of knowledge?
Now first of all-- this is not just all intelligent life-- of all matter, a very small percentage of it is alive at all.
If you knew how you unique you were in the universe, then you would get a grasp of how much you actually know.
Everyone knows so much, they know already anything they could ever know.
For instance, states of consciousness. We think there are states we do not know, but they are actually within us already. Why? Because we only see or know anything through forms that are already in us.
So in general; we have knowledge of this, knowledge of facts, music, sports, life, people, behaviors, science, books, art, so on and so forth; and we also experience some state of consciousness. Our consciousness is both physical and mental, and-- spiritual? Anyway depending on what state of consciousness we cultivate and experience and progress, that is what all the forms in our life that we know, are. If we cultivate such a negative consciousness, then all we know will be like this. Of course no one is only negative or only positive-- and those are oversimplifications perhaps. But depending on whatever consciousenss we have, that is what we are feeling. If a person is feeling upset, angry, peaceful, happy; I hate to even through the words out there becuase everything we experience affects us in some small way. In a large degree, the way something affects us is not nearly as much as the difference of what we feel which we create. This is why cold or rain or heat or anything creates different preferences in different people. We simply enjoy a certain weather or temperature because we always have. And of course if your consciousness is peaceful, that's when you actually start to experience peace; which is only the beginning, only the beginning.
Precisely,it makes sense herein.
I seriously doubt "people are inquisitive by nature", only a few people are. Most like to think with little effort, up to a point, then stop. Never really pushing.
Knowledge is inversely proportional to hapiness. One becomes a slave of knowledge; it tortures you. But you must know more, the answers, because it eats at you. What if you just ignored the questions? Ignorance is bliss indeed. I often wish I didn't know half the things I do, I would be so much happier. Now that I do, all I want is more knowledge.
You separate what is good knowledge from that which is valueless according to its use. Im trying to say here that it is relative. Of course you take in ideas and retain it to yourself if you see it as a good knowledge. Anyway, what do you mean by good here? are you viewing it pragmatically?
I could not comment on this as I am not sure if we really lose everything when we die.
i could'nt agree more...
However, to have no knowledge at all is not my option so I'd rather have knowledge. Ignorance sometimes is a bliss but we wouldn't want our lives to be spontaneous as ignorance forever.
This makes me agree with Camus that life is absurd.
Thats why terror attacks such as 9/11 occurredKnowledge.
I would disagree and say those came from ignorance, such as ignorance of the value of life, or the way to deal with problems.Thats why terror attacks such as 9/11 occurred
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