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    Anne Carson

    I will do anything to avoid boredom. It is the task of a lifetime. You can never know enough, never work enough, never use infinitives and participles oddly enough, never impede the movement harshly enough, never leave the mind quickly enough.

    On Ovid

    I see him there on a night like this but cool, the moon blowing through the black streets. He sups and walks back to his room. The radio is on the floor. Its luminous green dial blares softly. He sits down at the table; people in exile write so many letters. Now Ovid is weeping. Each night about this time he puts on sadness like a garment and goes on writing. In his spare time he is teaching himself the local language (Getic) in order to compose in it an epic poem no one will ever read.

    On Parmenides

    We pride ourselves on being civilized people. Yet what if the names for things were utterly different? Italy, for example. I have a friend named Andreas, an Italian. He has lived in Argentina as well as England, and also Costa Rica for some time. Everywhere he lives he invites people over for supper. It is a lot of work. Artichoke pasta, Peaches. His deep smile never fades. What if the proper name for Italy turns out to be Brzoy- will Andreas continue to travel the world like the wandering moon with her borrowed light? I fear we failed to understand what he was saying or his reasons. What if every time he said cities, he meant delusion, for example?

    Sleep Stones

    Camille Claudel lived the last thirty years of her life in an assylum, wondering why, writing letters to her brother the poet, who had signed the papers. Come visit me, she says. Remember, I am living here with madwomen, days are long. She did not smoke or stroll. She refused to sculpt. Although they gave her sleep stones- marble and granite and porphyry- she broke them, then collected the pieces and buried these outside the walls at night...

    Canicula Di Anna

    1.

    What we have here
    is the story of a painter.
    It occurs in Perugia
    (ancient Perusia)
    where lived the painter Pietro Vannucci
    (c. 1445-1523)
    who was called Perugino,
    a contemporary of Michelangelo
    and teacher of Raphael...

    some philosophers of the present day
    meet in conclave
    upon the ancient rock of Perugia.
    They seem to have commissioned
    for purposes of public relations,
    a painter to record them
    in pigments of the fifteenth century...

    The painter, at any rate,
    is not a happy man.
    A woman, as usual, is the problem...

    9.

    It is perhaps not widely known
    that a certain so-called Perugino
    spent the years 1483-1486
    covering with frescoes
    that part of the Sistine Chapel
    now immortalized by Michelangelo's Last Judgment,
    which efforts were ruthlessly effaced
    to make space for
    his successor's more colossal genius...

    13.

    Group portrait: a special commission.
    I paint the philosophers at table and
    on the way to Being.
    The bottle is difficult. I attempt
    a color invented by Cimabue.
    The phenomenologists engage in dialectic
    about wine as vinegar.
    To render the throat holes
    (blackish red) I have acquired
    sap of the tree draco dracaena (an expense
    but the phenomenolgists requested it)
    or dragon's blood, which, medieval legend
    recounts, originally
    soaked into the earth
    during epic wars
    of elephants and dragons...

    14.

    The phenomenologist from Paris hates mosquitoes
    and carries a small electric devise
    that lures the female mosquito to her death
    by simulating the amorous cry of the male. Then
    to block the whining sound, he has pink earplugs.
    As he sits in conversation
    with the phenomenologist from Sussex
    a mosquito is observed to enter.
    The Englishman leaps to his feet,
    calling, "Let us use the mosquito machine!"
    and smashes the insect to the wall
    with the devise. It is the first sign
    of wide ontological differences
    that will open in the Anglo-French dialectic
    here.

    from Anne Carson- Plainwater

    I have only read this single volume of Carson, but already I find myself entranced. Carson is Canadian (have you read any of her JBI?)... 58 years old... a professor of classics and comparative literature with a distinguished background in classical languages, comparative literature, anthropology, history, and commercial art. She writes poetry, prose, essay, criticism, and translation (her recent translations of Sappho are well regarded). Beyond this the writer is quite reluctant to reveal information of her personal life.

    Carson's books of "poetry" are a fascinating merger of all of her experiences as a scholar and professional writer. Her works remind me in many ways of the writings of Borges, Italo Calvino, Augusto Monterroso, the shorter writings of Kafka, Donald Barthleme, and the "prose poems" of W.S. Merwin. Like these writers she blurs the boundaries between fact and fiction... often presenting marvelous fictive accounts of historic personages complete with scholarly details and notations. At times one is not certain if the work one is reading is prose, poetry, essay, history, critical analysis, meditation... or something completely different. There is also a marvelous crisp, crystalline prose not far removed from that of Borges, Calvino, or Merwin.
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    I have read shorter poems, and am currently awaiting a volume of Autobiography of Red from the library. She seems to be one of the supreme poets of our age, though she isn't very Canadian in terms of her poetics. She seems more English (mixed with American as most poets are) than Canadian. If you want real Canadian verse, look into John Newlove, the Prairie Poet.

    Still though she has her talent, and I am looking forward to The Autobiography of Red, which is supposedly a rich verse novel, though highly neo-classical, as she seems to be.
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    Entrancing post luke. Hate to say this but she's post modern par excellence if she can sustain that tone through an entire collection; put her in my reading notes.

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    And too think... I was first led to her by a mention of her poetry in a critical essay by Harold Bloom. It seems old Harold is aware that there is literature of merit beyond that of the dead white European males.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stlukesguild View Post
    And too think... I was first led to her by a mention of her poetry in a critical essay by Harold Bloom. It seems old Harold is aware that there is literature of merit beyond that of the dead white European males.
    If I can be pardoned for the aside, a lack of good critical reading has been of great frustration to me. Before I came online, I belonged to The Readers' Subscription, through which I purchased my few critical titles--although I will concede I don't like Wayne Booth and did not really understand Lodge's apologia in his collection of essays on Bakhtin--mainly because I am not familiar with Bakhtin himself.

    I do have RS bookmarked, since I found it, at least I hope I did, now under Doubleday's control, but haven't renewed my membership, yet.

    I find it difficult, despite wish lists and ease of ordering, to know where to go to find critics and scholars of interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stlukesguild View Post
    And too think... I was first led to her by a mention of her poetry in a critical essay by Harold Bloom. It seems old Harold is aware that there is literature of merit beyond that of the dead white European males.
    Where did this essay appear? If possible could you provide a JStor link, or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jozanny View Post
    If I can be pardoned for the aside, a lack of good critical reading has been of great frustration to me. Before I came online, I belonged to The Readers' Subscription, through which I purchased my few critical titles--although I will concede I don't like Wayne Booth and did not really understand Lodge's apologia in his collection of essays on Bakhtin--mainly because I am not familiar with Bakhtin himself.

    I do have RS bookmarked, since I found it, at least I hope I did, now under Doubleday's control, but haven't renewed my membership, yet.

    I find it difficult, despite wish lists and ease of ordering, to know where to go to find critics and scholars of interest.
    You need to look into major academic publications, and such. If you have no access to a university library, perhaps your local library has JStor access, which gives you an archive of the major periodicals in scholarly research. Really though, nothing beats a major university library, as it is virtually impossible to do any research (of any credibility) without one.

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    I have little use for most contemporary criticism which far too often seems more concerned with the critic's pet theory (political, social, or otherwise) than with the author's work. On the other hand, I have read a good many examples of literary criticism in the broader sense... not the academic analysis and deconstruction of a single text... some of which ranks as truly great literature in and of itself. Among these examples I would include Samuel Johnson, Walter Pater, William Hazlitt, Samuel Coleridge, Matthew Arnold, etc... I am also attracted to the critical writings of a good many who are poets/authors of some importance in their own right. Here I would include J.L. Borges, Italo Calvino, Umberto Eco, Eugenio Montale, Octavio Paz, W.S. Merwin, Edward Hirsch, T.S. Eliot, Ezra Pound, Dana Gioia, etc... Of modern/contemporary critics who are not also known for their efforts as poets/novelists/etc... I have already noted I have little use for theory or ideology. Critics I have found of the most use to me have included Northrop Frye, Harold Bloom, Roger Shattuck, and even the often outrageous Camille Paglia. You might ask JBI or even Petrarch'sLove (if she is back from her trip) who would in all likelihood be far more able to lead you in the right direction concerning contemporary scholarly criticism than I.
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    You'd be surprised what can be found in contemporary scholarship - Bloom too admits this, as often (though he tries to add as many "classical voices" as possible) his anthologies are loaded with contemporary critics. Either way though, the so called "school of resentment" is an American phenomenon for the most part - modern European, and even Canadian scholarship is far less political.

    The reasons are, that America, which really is a pastiche of different cultures, has formed itself into a definite culture, like other nations. Canada has not done so, and has opted for the so called "cultural mosaic" approach, a mixing of traditions and customs from the wide immigrant communities. In truth, the 250,000 immigrants arriving each year (the government is trying to up it to 500,000, but are currently unable to process that many immigrants) add in addition to the old-immigrant community cultures, an additional contemporary culture, which creates even more culture backgrounds amongst Canadians.

    For this reason, though we have areas of teaching in English departments (such as African Canadian literature, and Italian Canadian literature) we do not have the sort of racial or feminist focusing as programs in the U.S. have. Canadians, though we weren't perfect, as no one will claim, seemed to have treated, historically, immigrants and minorities far better than our American counterparts, and, as a result, do not have to make as big a deal, as most academics, students, and writers are minorities themselves, and the immigrant-native divide is rather invisible.

    That being said, European countries for the most part seem to have defined traditional cultures and literatures, and as a result, do not have the same focuses as the American system. The problem though, is that their scholarship is focused on their linguistic backgrounds, and as a result, is untranslated, and restricted to their literature. Unless you are interested in, and able to read texts in the original, such scholarship will be of no interest.

    In truth, though much of American scholarship is placed under the so called "school of resentment", the bulk of it actually seems to follow the sort of "aesthetic" preferred by Bloom. It isn't difficult to find scholarship of interest, if one has the resources available to look (assuming you aren't concerned with ideological or overly theoretical criticism, which, I would say, is not completely devoid of merit, and is often quite beautifully written).
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    Dammit! JBI! You're making me work here... and I just started back to teaching today! I had to skim through How to Read and Why, Where Shall Wisdom be Found, and a couple other volumes (at least I knew it wasn't in The Western Canon) until I found where I had highlighted it in Genius p. 11:

    I have avoided all living geniuses in this book, partly so as to evade the distractions of mere provocation. I can identify for myself certain writers of palpable genius now among us: the Portuguese novelist Jose Saramago, the Canadian poet Anne Carson, the English poet Geoffrey Hill...

    This... and another mention or praise for Autobiography of Red... which I cannot find off hand... as well as Edward Hirsch's mention of her in How to Read a Poem was enough to intrigue me. A brief perusal of Plainwater in the bookstore was enough to convince me to give her a try. I was very pleased with what I have read.
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    Emily

    Dickinson relied on Higginson as a reporter from the world beyond her garden gate.

    WHITE HEAT

    The Friendship of Emily Dickinson and Thomas Wentworth Higginson

    By Brenda Wineapple

    Illustrated. 416 pp. Alfred A. Knopf. $27.95 (review of this book called "Emily's Tryst" by Miranda Seymour, 8/22/08) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/bo...ew&oref=slogin
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    A. R. Ammons

    AN IMPROVISATION FOR ANGULAR MOMENTUM

    Walking is like
    imagination, a
    single step
    dissolves the circle
    into motion; the eye here
    and there rests
    on a leaf,
    gap, or ledge,
    everything flowing
    except where
    sight touches seen:
    stop, though, and
    reality snaps back
    in, locked hard,
    forms sharply
    themselves, bushbank,
    dentree, phoneline,
    definite, fixed,
    the self, too, then
    caught real, clouds
    and wind melting
    into their directions,
    breaking around and
    over, down and out,
    motions profound,
    alive, musical! .....

    {excerpt}

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    Antonio Machado

    http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/200...ORIA_index.htm "A Poets Realm of Myth and Reality" article and slideshow about Machado's Spain.

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    Jayne Cortez

    From Somewhere In Advance Of Nowhere

    BUMBLEBEE, YOU SAW BIG MAMA

    You saw Big Mama Thorton
    In her cocktail dresses
    & cut off boots
    & in her cowboy hat
    & man's suit
    As she drummed &
    Hollered out
    The happy hour of her negritude
    Bumblebee

    You saw Big Mama
    Trance dancing her chant
    Into cut body of
    A running rooster
    Scream shouting her talk
    Into flaming path of
    A solar eclipse
    Cry laughing her eyes into
    Circumcision red sunsets
    at midnight
    Bumblebee

    You saw Big Mama
    Bouncing straight up like a Masai
    Then falling back spinning her
    Salty bone drying kisser of music
    Into a Texas hop for you to
    Lap up her sweat
    Bumblebee

    You saw Big Mama
    Moaning between ritual saxes
    & carrying the black water of Alabama blood
    Through burnt weeds & rainy ditches
    To reach the waxy surface of your spectrum
    Bumblebee

    You didn't have to wonder
    Why Big Mama sounded
    So expressively free
    So aggressively great
    Once you climbed
    Into valley roar
    Of her vocal spleen
    & tasted sweet grapes
    In cool desert
    Of her twilight
    Bumblebee

    You saw Big Mama
    Glowing like
    A full charcoal moon
    Riding down
    Chocolate Bayou road
    & making her entrance
    Into rock-city-bar lounge
    & swallowing that
    Show-me-no-love supermarket exit sign
    In her club ebony gut
    You saw her
    Get tamped on by the hell hounds
    & you knew when she was happy ...


    {excerpt, Jayne Cortez}

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    Adam Kirsch

    Theory and Practice

    By LANGDON HAMMER
    Published: August 29, 2008
    "Poets and critics have been around for a long time, and some writers have been both poets and critics, but the 'poet-critic' was invented in the 20th century. This hybrid role was created by T. S. Eliot and then adapted by a generation of poets who won positions in American colleges as literary critics, before the M.F.A. in creative writing gave poets jobs teaching writing workshops. The poet-critics of that era shared a point of view. They were against experimental literature. They valued rhyme and meter not only as expressive forms, but as safeguards against sentimentality, narcissism and even madness. They saw poetry as a way to preserve the individual’s spiritual and intellectual integrity in a society dominated by science and mass culture. They praised reason and proportion, but their mood was apocalyptic." {first paragraph of this review}

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/bo...ks&oref=slogin

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