For what purpose does God exist, if he exists?

[dzebra]

Nope, but even if support is shown to someone, it's easy enough for him to ignore it and not alter his views at all. I could tell (and have told) you things that make God very real to me, and if you choose not to see things the way I do, you would not be convinced whatsoever by my words. That's where faith comes in to the picture. Without faith, someone will not believe no matter what is put in front of him, and with faith, someone will believe no matter what is put in front of him. One will see things as evidence pointing to God, and the other will see things as evidence denying God.

[mtpspur]

To Morten: No your request for proofs is not in itself unreasonable. In the Bible God often showed 'proofs'. Make the wool wet and dry; the trial of fire for Elijah, and the proof od the ressurected Christ to Thomas.

What God objects to, in my opinion, is the manner in which unbelievers request proof. It often comes across as a demand--show me or get lost type attitude. An attempt to contrict the workings of God. By faiht if one believes God reveals Himself in any number of ways but He is not in the habot of satisfying idle curiousity. In His grace he treats us children but a ftaher ought not to be doubted or constantly argued with or where's the relationship. Hope this helps somewhat. basically a Christaincannot show what an unbeliever would 'accept' as proof positive. We can only show him our life with all its ups and downs and graces. With renewed respect at your last posting. Rich. Perhaps we can be friends?? Perhaps??

[Splendour]

To inspire religious debates that bring out the worst in everyone.
I think we can all agree that there is a lesson to be drawn from that.

hahaa...out of all replies I like this one the most.

[blazeofglory]

[QUOTE=Splendour;536570]So this particular question came to my mind, after watching a OVA of Saint Seiya (a popular Japanese anime in Asia and Europe, not in North America though), when the featured goddess Athena (more of a stereotypical Protector of Earth idea, not to be confused with the real Athena in Greek myth, though she is modeled after) asked this question to the Gods of Olympus who were prosecuting her Knights for fighting against the divines: "why do Gods exist? They exist for the humans. Therefore, Gods can also be said as the servants of Men."

For what purpose does God exist then, in today's religions? There are of course a million sociological/athropological, political or even (since all have been trying to use) scientific reasons. But let's for the sake of argument say that God does exist, then what's the purpose of existence? All religions endeavours to put purpose into our life, so what's God's?

And if God just..exists. Can't we come back and say, similariy, humans can just exist...without a purpose and therefore God doesn't exist?

This is indeed a very funny question. God is said more often purposeless or above all purposes.

[Equality72521]

Okay, in answer to the origional post, whether God is here to serve us or us to serve him. Well, we've seen both extremes, God serves us. We serve God. Well think about it this way. (I'm not a beliver in God but I'm working on a theory)

God "supposedly" created man.

Why would he create man? Boredom? Perhaps. But think about it. But if he created us, what was his true purpose? Not us to serve him. No. I'm pretty sure that God is a grown man and can serve himself. Unfortunately, this is where the brutal and honest truth comes to mind: since God has not revealed himself we cannot know his true purpose. So. It is hard for me to think that God created anything. Why would he create this world? What makes us so special? Why do we deserve his attention?

This is also again where the opposite side of the argument comes up and presents it's case. God didn't create us. We created him. We created him for a sense of hope perhaps. When all else fails and you can't trust the humans you are with, who else to look to but a divine and all perfect being? Someone you think can help you in your time of need, he gives you faith, hope, and in your mind help.

It's all for purpose of healing. Where there's a will, there's a way. Generally, the faith has to be inside yourself, not a God. You, and you alone, control your actions and faiths. God doesn't control that, obviously, else, I wouldn't be writing this and nor would others be saying anything against God. (Another reason as to why it's hard to believe we exist to serve him, if we did, why would he give us free will?)

"God is Existence. WIthout God, there is no significance in life, there is only darkness. Perhaps you can be successful, but then you die. Perhaps you can be happy, but then you die." -Captainqt

That seems to be a bit of a contradiction there. There is no meaning to life with out God. There is no light. But then you say, you can be successful and happy but die. There is nothing but everything with out God? There is a light and you can be happy and you can live a good life. We don't know if eternally we will go on or even if there's anything for us to go onto. Faith can take you there maybe, but I doubt that with out your God our life is not significant or full of darkness. I'm sorry, but I'm fine with out him and feel that there is plenty of significance. I guess it just boils down to what You think is significant and what I think is significant.


"God's purpose is to be glorified. If people will not do it, the rocks will cry out. The universe itself glorifies God by its existence. God shows his power, wisdom, and love in his creation, and creation glorifies him." -Dzebra

Okay, so if creaction glorifies god and he created all then my contradiction and disbelief of God, glorifies him??? Hmmm....

"God does not exist for a "purpose" - the question implies that God has some functional use - that His existence is contingent upon some need or use. Wrong. God exists simply because He IS. You cannot drop God into the box of created things and ask "What is this thing for?" The real question is why He created anything else at all - since His existence is self-sufficient: He needs nothing else." -Redzepplin

The question is what does God exist for? Does he exist for us? I'm assuming he does, or well for those who believe. God had been dropped into the "box of created things" long ago, and apparently nobody can find the key. But if he did create us your question as to why he choose us, I completely concur with.

"Captain the same can be said of war: nearly all civilizations practise it. Still I would not use that to suggest war is good or that we should all have faith in the justice of war." -SirRaususBear

I agree with the argument that you're using here. (Just thought I'd throw that in there... )

"However, is it wrong to ask for a little basis of support when religion makes such drastic claims about the world and our existence?" -Morten

No, it's not wrong, it's in human nature. Curiosity is a good thing and has found us many answers to many questions it also gave us light, machines...etc. The world and our existance is probably one of the questions most asked but as we have no answer nobody knows so we all argue on forums and attempt to find the truth!

"Nope, but even if support is shown to someone, it's easy enough for him to ignore it and not alter his views at all. I could tell (and have told) you things that make God very real to me, and if you choose not to see things the way I do, you would not be convinced whatsoever by my words. That's where faith comes in to the picture. Without faith, someone will not believe no matter what is put in front of him, and with faith, someone will believe no matter what is put in front of him. One will see things as evidence pointing to God, and the other will see things as evidence denying God." -Dzebra

I think this comes back down to the whole idea of "if you will it, it will be." I respect you but from my point of view I tend to think that if you want things to divinely be there to help you, they will be. I think that everything is inside of yourself.

However, To each his own.





{By this post, I hope I offended no one. I posted it out of my views and their replies and possibly things that could be put into consideration. If I have offended you in any way, please let me know and I will go back to modify my post and make it less....mean. }

[blazeofglory]

God, the way carve out of our imaginations exists for delimiting or structuring man into miniature. To outshine him.