NOT for sensitive people!

[Logos]

That's not quite what I meant, Helga, as I said in PM, I edited your post "to (only) remove the direct video link you had in it."

You will notice I also put PETA in my note. People can go out of their way to find the site and direct link to that video you're referring to and watch it, I merely wanted to make it harder for *some possibly sensitive younger members* to find it.

thank you all, I am not supposed to say this because I was edited but you should check out the PETA website for more info

[Helga]

sorry I'll stop

[Jay]

I can't see a reason why you should

[subterranean]

I love animals and never acted cruel towards any, but I eat meat, fish and chicken. Apologize, but I don't feel guilty by doing that. I think they are breed in purpose to fill human basic needs (animal protein). But I tottaly disagree with killing animals for their furrs, ivories, horns, etc. Believe the ownership of those things are just for pride and arrogancy and tottally unacceptable.

[Jay]

Second that.

[amuse]

Third

*10cr

[Stanislaw]

You summed it up well SubT, I am an omnivor and I eat meat, however most of the meat that I eat is slaughtered by my family, or close friends of my family, We do not support cruelty in any way.

I don't even see the reasons for this cruelty, why must an animal suffer when it could be eisily killed quickly and painlessly?

[subterranean]

Just receieved this from Care2:

Dear (my name),

We've all seen the pictures -- adorable dark eyes staring out at us benevolently from pillowy white fur. But cruelty season is fast-approaching in Canada.

In a month's time, hunters armed with clubs and rifles will bludgeon and shoot to death hundreds of thousands of baby harp seals out on the ice floes of Eastern Canada. Shockingly, at least 95% of the seals killed will be less than three months old and many may be skinned alive.

Canada's seal hunt is the largest deliberate slaughter of marine mammals in the world. The government has set a legal quota of up to 319,500 seals this year. The seal pelts are served up to the fashion industry, with additional profits from meat, oil, and the sale of genitalia to Asian markets. But the killing of baby seals doesn't make sense economically or ecologically, nor is it sustainable.

The Canadian government wants the media and public to believe that no one cares about the innocent blood spilled each year. That's why we must create a public outcry!

Tell the Canadian Parliament that you DO CARE about the cruelty inflicted upon these seals and that the hunt is indefensible!

Sign the petition: here

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Thank you for taking action today!

- Dawn S
Care2 and ThePetitionSite team

Here's the baby seal's pic

[amuse]

thanks for the link

[Stanislaw]

Thanks, it is important to petition such blatent disregard for life.

[Helga]

thanks for the link. I added my name to it, and I have to say that I am glad so many people agree with me on these issues.

[Koa]

The desire to eat meat, as you ask, to me, does not seem cruel. As a big anatomy "geek," I fully know that the human body grows certain features of the teeth (incisors, canines, pre-molars, and molars) and produces specific enzymes solely for the reason of eating meat (for example its high protein and, in some, lipid content). Animal cruelty to me extends, seemingly, as far as Helga's, in her first post; if people will eat meat, which seems a neither superior nor inferior way of life, it seems most humane if taken out in a rational, quick manner, rather than tortuous and cruel.

(i saw the other thread first but i came here thinking that my pointless opinion would fit better here...and i was right)
Well, it's cool that a vegetarian actually recognises that it's not a crime to eat meat...I mean, I've never met any vegeterians who try to force that on others (I actually know only one veggie in person) but I'm not a vegetarian nor I would ever be able to be one... I don't even like vegetables that much...and it would be hard for me to live without meat (sorry but honestly it's like that). Well, in all sincerity I don't even 'love' animals that much...I don't know why, I don't feel too much care for them...Which means, I'd never hurt them on purpose, but I don't even feel too caring for them, like for example I didnt want my family to have a cat...I lost my battle and live in a peaceful hostility with the furry fat creature now Pretty much like my total lack of maternal instinct...
(and I hope noone misunderstands what I said).
Can I ask, though...Is it a sacrifice for you all to be a vegetarian? As I explained, to me it would be...I actually know about a friend of a friend of mine who is a veg 'just' because he doesnt like meat so it was easier that way... I also wonder about geography somehow cos I know only one Italian who is a veg while I've heard that there are many in Germany for example and curiosuly she became one when she was in Germany...

As for the rest, I think that killing animals for other purposes is quite pointless...why wear them when there are other things to wear...
)pretty much like I bought shoes from a famous label only once in my life (and because they were the only shoes I really liked and I needed them) because I've always heard that those famous expensive sport shoes factories exploit children... even if it's not certain that smaller factories dont do it too....Boycotting is good though...

[mono]

Can I ask, though...Is it a sacrifice for you all to be a vegetarian? As I explained, to me it would be...I actually know about a friend of a friend of mine who is a veg 'just' because he doesnt like meat so it was easier that way... I also wonder about geography somehow cos I know only one Italian who is a veg while I've heard that there are many in Germany for example and curiosuly she became one when she was in Germany...

Of course you may ask, Koa. Years ago, when I first turned vegetarian, the change did not seem much of an alteration in lifestyle; I had never considered myself a fan of eating meat. The choice seemed nearly indeliberate, but just occurred, as if I did not require a great effort, but I knew and felt confident that this seems how I should live, just as many people feel they should consume meat and wear clothing made from animals, which does not offend me in the least. Now, that I have carried this lifestyle for years, I feel comfortably undistinguished from others; I just feel like myself.
As for geographics, as you mentioned, living in the U.S., and being vegetarian, has a few down falls. Most people understand, but while the majority consume and wear animal products, some become easily offended, and, to remain honest, overly-sensitive with an assumed stereotype.

[Koa]

I see... thanks for the answer. I guess it must be 'hard' at least in one sense at least here, because when you go to eat out not always places have a wide choice of stuff with no meat, and even more rarely a vegetarian menu. Or when you are invited for dinner at someone's, in a big family meal it's hard not to find meat... By the way, when I was in Hungary there was an American guy who is a vegetarian and sometimes it took him a while to find something suitable to eat when we were out. Oh well, c'est la vie...

[Koa]

Eheh sometimes I've wondered if I should be a vegeterian but as I said I wouldnt survive it...I need the pleasures of food! Btw I dont know any 'radical' vegetarian, those who dont eat milk products or eggs...