NOT for sensitive people!

[Helga]

OK, first I want to say that I don't regularly do this and I am not trying to force my believes on others!!

I am a vegetarian and I don't want to wear leather or fur. I made this desicion after witnessing children in an awful 'play' of getting pidgins and killing them. I did research and animal cruelty is very well known in all kinds of factories and labs. I do think that becoming a vegetarian is an individual choice and I wouldn't try to force it on anyone.

Now the main point of this thread is that I get e-mails from PETA and today they sent me breaking news about people in China that treat animals in a worse way than ever witnessed before. I am not gonna say anything about the link below or what you will see in it. It is not for sensitive people and I couldn't even watch it. I hope you will find this informing and show it to people who can handle it.

I don't want anyone to get mad at me for this but I think it is important for people to see this video.


*Edited to remove link to video at above mentioned website for PETA.

This is an all-ages site and the video link especially disturbing to our younger members.

[Jay]

Couldn't watch it.
They don't have laws against that in China? They make synthetic furs, why people still feel the need to wear real skins. It's just stupid.

[kilted exile]

OK, I think I got through about 5 seconds of that clip before I felt like ripping out my eyes from their sockets.

[Jay]

I felt more like ripping out body parts of the 'people' on the vid.

[mono]

Hmm, I cannot find the link you refer to, Helga, but I can only imagine what gruesome tales the site showed. I, too, find myself as vegetarian, for a few years now, and for multiple reasons - not only animal rights, but for general health reasons. Like you, I never push my views on others, even if 'carnivores' enforce their perspectives on me (which happens often, to remain honest).
Regardless, I congratulate you on your decision, and hope the best for animal rights, specifically regarding the child you witnessed.

[subterranean]

Well tis not only happen in China and I've seen those kinds of cruelty long time ago, since it already happened for years..If only trees could scream, we would have witness the same cruelty.

[Stanislaw]

That was a sickening video, I went to the peta websight. I hate cruelty like that, those people should be skinned alive. These issues have always haunted me, but I have never took action, I feel as bad as the ones commiting the crime.

[Miss Darcy]

I know I couldn't watch that video even if the link was still intact; I - I just couldn't. I am also vegetarian - from birth - and I find it horrific to hear my acquaintances talking about how cool it was in the place they kill animals for Woolies. I can't understand how people can kill animals and be so cruel to them...

Not only animals, there is insufferable cruelty happening to people, too; not only hunger, starvation, but even worse...There is always a war in the world. Think of all the poverty and desolation. I can't understand how humans can consciously go around killing one another, it's just so...terrible and inhumane.

Darcy

[Stanislaw]

Nature is cruel, and we are the keepers of nature...Humans really are the most sadistic creatures on the planet. I think that everyday, we move away from God more and more, only to come closer to evil.

I wish we could change all people so that they would see the horrors of this and change their ways. It is one thing to see and another to do.

I wish others would join me.

[subterranean]

Well I'm not bragging my self, but I'm a loyal supporter of Greenpeace and Nature Conservacy, and I'm an active e-activist ...

And Stan, best not to speak about changing people..we should start from us..ourselves

[Snukes]

Aah, the motivation of the morons post suddenly becomes clear. : p

Question (asked in sincerity and not intended to provoke) for you veggies: how far would you extend a definition of cruelty to animals? Admitting some facilities or institutions in the food production business operate under less than pristine conditions, would you go so far as to say that the very desire to eat an animal is cruel?

I didn't look for the video because I have no desire to watch violence or cruelty, which the video apparently depicts, so I can't say anything about that (other than that I'm sure I'd add my disapproval to yours), but I'm curious about the veggie thing. I'm not a farm girl - I could never eat something I'd once known to be alive (say, a formerly pet chicken), but as long as my meat comes from a nice, tidy, sanitary grocery store shelf, I shall not be able to do without it.

[amuse]

Helga, you might be interested in Diet for a New America; i read it a few years back. it's very much on line with the discussion here.

[mono]

Question (asked in sincerity and not intended to provoke) for you veggies: how far would you extend a definition of cruelty to animals? Admitting some facilities or institutions in the food production business operate under less than pristine conditions, would you go so far as to say that the very desire to eat an animal is cruel?

To answer your question, Snukes (and worry not, I feel no offense), animal cruelty does have its limits, in my opinion. I acknowledge that some people prefer consuming meat, and do not feel offended, even though MANY people oddly take offense at my being vegetarian (no names need mention).
The desire to eat meat, as you ask, to me, does not seem cruel. As a big anatomy "geek," I fully know that the human body grows certain features of the teeth (incisors, canines, pre-molars, and molars) and produces specific enzymes solely for the reason of eating meat (for example its high protein and, in some, lipid content). Animal cruelty to me extends, seemingly, as far as Helga's, in her first post; if people will eat meat, which seems a neither superior nor inferior way of life, it seems most humane if taken out in a rational, quick manner, rather than tortuous and cruel.

[Helga]

thank you all, I am not supposed to say this because I was edited but you should check out the PETA website for more info

[amuse]

no thank you. i mean that nicely. i for one know it's barbarous, the lives and deaths of most animals raised for general human consumption, but not all of us want to visit the PETA sight/site. perhaps you might rethink "should" - ?

I am not trying to force my believes on others!!

i know you mean well.