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    Ananiah il saggio!

    Part II

    Count Dionisios Romas (1771-1857, previously mentioned herein as applying, 1825, for modern Greece's british protection) was certainly "constrained diplomaticaly" 1815, his above testimony was biased and a cover for his mercer friends, the Zante Cochins, as well as his then "bros" and later relatives (see below), the Balsami.

    While avoiding to link this "other lodge" to the egyptian rite, (also ommiting Cagliostro-Balsamo) and while purposely mislabeling it "Filanthropia" (grk for "Benefizensa"), he plays it safe fingerpointing at "Cassini who died 1784" as the venerable master (Cesar Francois Cassini de Thury, 1714-1784) of this very same lodge he was himself a member till then and, propably, later on as well .

    This "old lodge" operated not just till 1815 (Rizopoulos-"-see http://www.zante-freemasons.gr/gr_te...s_ionia.php#up) but, going propably underground, went on till much later (as 1824-5 Missolonghi "Ananiah" tower indicates and as Edgar Poe testifies herein) thus even if the royal astronomer was or was not their master till 1784, the questions....

    Who Ananiah the founder was?
    How and when was the rite transferred "West", reaching America pre 1770?
    Who authorised and monitored Giuseppe Balsamo post 1784?
    ....have yet to be answered!

    Romas provides no explanation re Cassini's relation to Zante and there is practicaly (excepting the mathematicien Cagnoli, born Zante 1743) no such relative record online, no other BUT the Zante Cochins and the Hydra Caussins of "Poe Announcement".

    They, as Russia's 1797-1807 consuls, were well aquainted with count Romas and his son,
    Giorgio Candiano Romas (1798-1867),who married, around 1825-6, Orsola , sister of Anna di Giorgio Balsamo (wife, as from about 1826, of Dimitrio-Giacomo Cochini or Jaques Denis Cochin, previously mentioned as Dionisios Solomos's 1828 witness!)
    (see http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/AS10053b.htm and http://www.kythera-family.net/index....lip=4&hits=20),

    Romas's "Cassini" of 1815, was therefore a safe proposition, a cover up and, at the same time, a tactfull reminder to the british protectors of his 1815 Phenice Risorta (in which Giorgio Balsamo was a "rhetor) of their older 1797 contacts with la Marquise de Cassini (born Babaud), mistress of the Prince of Conti AND MAINLY their later encounters with the US Cassin sailors, lasting till 1812.
    (For mme la marquise see http://www.catnaps.org/cassini/babaud.html#mdc
    and http://italiangenealogy.tardio.com/F.../start=15.html)

    With "Anastasy" de Perceval still "missing in action", 1815 was indeed a bad year for the truth but when things changed for the better later on in Zante....

    The Cochini Zante blazon, today displayed center (in a series of other blazons) at the Dion.Salomon Museum, depicts a single snake, its body wound around a blooming Asclepius staff (a tree) its head turned towards the tree blossom: No, it's not the sign of a "blossoming" period of a doctor's history but the biblical serpent -tree of gnosis-apple combination:

    This statement must now to be slighlty modified, if the existing fourty or so year vacuum(1744-84) of the masonic history of bro Andrea Rizopoulos is to be filled:

    As "first italian mason on record" and father of count Saint Germain, doctor Antonio Cocchi with his Epistola ad Morgagnum de Lente Cristallina oculi IS THE definition of 19th century Ananiah "le sage": His biblical predecessor cured Saul of his blindness to then "transmit the ancient light to the nations", thus Mark Bedaridde's 1845 "mystic" testimony turns out "true" nevertheless!

    Following doctor Cocchi's death, late 1750ties, and taking into consideration duties and character of son(?) Gioachino, it is highly doubtfull that he became the next venerable master of the egyptian rite, the Montdidier orientalists having already been described herein as the next propable masters (count Romas, granting them protection in 1815, provides another indication to this direction) whereas not a shred of evidence was found linking Gioachino Cocchi-"Saint Germain" to Cagliostro- Balsamo or to british secret services:

    His flight from France, 1784, may well be attributed to dissapointment, danger for his life, old age and wider family interests and conflicts combined, his association with the Mizraim Rite yet unproven, his true family links and ties to the Montdidier and Marseille Caussins and the Paris-Zante Cochins , unclear (as also their relation to the Cassini-Cassins).

    To conclude with "modern litterature":

    To counter Edgar Allen Poe's relevant works, Alexandre Dumas, 1848, associated Edmond Dantes with comte Saint Germain AND/OR Cagliostro (as per Mme Montego' s testimony! She was the only one who could identify Dantes) and managed, by his all time bestseller, to further confuse the issue, covering up and justifying "mercers" and "orientalists" who returned to Paris from their little treasure islands, Zante and Hydra, as "philanthropists" and "liberal" or "recollet" "catholics-royalists" just like- and simultaneously with- "count Monte Christo".
    Last edited by yanni; 05-01-2008 at 02:09 AM. Reason: replace Maraldi with Cagnoli

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    Addendum on JFH

    Googling through for "John Fowler Hull" the conclusion is reached that HE WAS NOT the same person as William Henry Leonard Poe-"Guillelmo Cochini" ( in charge of the Zante affaires of the egyptian ruler Mehmet Ali", on record 21st May 1823!).

    JFH-Edgar's quaker "bro" dying at 25-strongly relates to our story nevertheless:

    He was well aquainted with William Allen (the "friendly biblical" alchemist in charge of the finacial affairs of the duke of Kent as from about 1815):

    They met often in London, in the first half of 1823 and, shortly before JFH departed East he tutored WA, June 2nd 1823, in arabic scriptures also undertaking to:"....cut and paste a set" (Life of William Allen, page 354.)

    (As seen earlier "John Madox came to Egypt on August 1823, stayed with Yanni a while in Gurna and, returning from the coast of the Red sea, brought JFH to Yanni-Armand Pierre de Perceval on the 14th of March 1824)

    John Fowler Hull of Uxbridge, a member of the society of frineds, died in India, December 1825 and his obituary appeared in The Times June 26, 1826. .

    However:

    In his lengthy Necrology, T.Grimes Esq, Colchester (signing as T.G) advises that JFH stayed in Paris, 1818-1820, where he had "access to the royal manuscript collection"!. (The Classical Journal, pages 259-264), wherefrom, we guess, the provenance of his "valuable library" including persian and chinese manuscripts (left by his will to the trusteees of the British Museum, Handbook to the Library of the British Museum page 121):

    Caussin de Percevals senior, ie "Yanni's" father(?) "Anastasy", missing from Hydra's archive August 1812 to June 1822, taught in Paris at the time and had access to relative royal manuscript collection!

    We furthermore believe he is the mysterious person who accompanied JFH to London following 1820, claiming to have been Napoleon's translator* (as above) enlightening him further in the oriental languages.
    (Coincidentaly, Mark Bedaride, Mizraim's next founder in France, visits London and Ireland in 1820 ).

    If the rivalry between the duke of Kent (William Allen's- and propably JFH's- finacial source, father of Queen Victoria, he +1820) and the duke of Sussex (Prince regent as from 1820, childless, Romas's "Fenice Risorta" sponsor in Zante, 1815, 90th degree of Misraim Rite as form 1821) and the political usefullness of "Les Amis" and-later-Mormons are taken into consideration as well, then the same conclusions are reached as those by below mentioned sources, that the Mizriam Rite was "doomed", post 1820!

    ...'the Rite of Mismaim was only included that it might be quietly suppressed, as it was allowed to die...
    http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/aqc/fringe/comments.html#4
    http://www.scepa.org/#sdfootnote10anc

    Whereas Edgar was informed via John Allen, William Henry Leonard and William Allen re Berenice the port, he did not learn of the above "policy change" concerning the Rite until 1835.

    * Obviously Caussin de perceval senior!
    Last edited by yanni; 05-12-2008 at 12:53 AM. Reason: reexplain relationship between Edgar-JFH

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    Moroni!

    Last few posts on "Ananiah" and "John Fowler Hull" justify this post, aimed to further clarify allegations made earlier on in "Poe Announcement" re Balsamo-Cozine-Caussin de Perceval-Allen-Joseph Smith's "Book of Moses" links.

    John Fowler Hull's tutoring in "arabic", post 1820 in London, by Caussin de Perceval senior, following the purchase by the former of a large number of ancient manuscripts-in the care of the latter until then- plus quaker William Allen's admission of manuscripts "cutting and pasting" (by JFH) on his behalf in 1823 certainly lead to:

    Joseph Smith's 1823 visitation-first ever-by a "prophet Moroni" that.....

    ....led to his finding and unearthing (in 1827) a long-buried book, inscribed on metal plates, which contained a record of God's dealings with the ancient Israelite inhabitants of the Americas.

    A praisworthy aim-to be historicaly documented in the future, no doubt-combined with a deep religious duty guiding, then, not just Jo Smith but others as well.

    Let's examine what and how things happened then:

    Caussin de Perceval senior missing from Paris as from 1822-as seen earlier on in this thread-is to be found in Hydra, June 1822, as "Anastasios Lazarou Kokkinis" embarking last as "mate" ( Anastasy, remember, was consul of Rusia in Hydra till 1807) on "Terpsichori", destination obscure (page 643,Deltion 11 of Heraldic society of Athens, 2001, by undersigned)

    whereas

    .....his son Yanni (John Madox's "Jannis") ie Caussin de Perceval jr, was living in Egypt, in 1823, with brother, wife and mother, ie his father was also near by (he resurfaces in Hydra 1825, July)!
    ("Excursions in the Holy Land, Egypt, Nubia, Syria" by John Madox)

    In other words:

    There are "strong indications" that the leading orientalist JJA Caussin de Perceval (sr), lived in Egypt 1822-1825(and was more motivated, certainly, than JFH to "cut and paste") had "access" to the specific thebian papyri known as "D'Anastasi"(jr) today, thus the subject cannot be so easily bypassed anymore!

    (....un certain d'Anastasi....http://www.idumea.org/Etudes/Ecritur...he_globale.htm)
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    JJA's earlier "Misraim" involvement, his family's participation in the greek "Society of friends" as from 1818 (Deltion 11),his 1821"association" with London and JFH-who, after "cutting and pasting" for William Allen, visited "Jannis" in Gurna, 1824 to then die young 1825 in India....

    ...plus british royalty "involvement" (in financing William Allen and controlling, as from 1815, Fenice Risorta, Zante and as from 1821 The Rite of Mizraim)...

    ....go a long way towards explaining the specific "history" and "religion" episodes of 19th cent.

    Joseph Smith (died June 27, 1844 Carthage,Illinois, following his February announcement of his intent to to participate in the coming presidential elections) certainly inspired Edgar Poe to write his Mellonta Tauta.....

    "I find that the great men in those days among the Amriccans, were one John, a smith, and one Zacchary, a tailor. "

    .....but yours truly is not particularly interested to further indulge into Edgar's- or his friend, 1844 presidential candidate, Lewis Cass's -political thoughts and motives.

    http://www.saintswithouthalos.com/ss/hjs_cnt.phtml
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...election,_1844

    This cass-erole has long boiled over!
    Last edited by yanni; 05-08-2008 at 10:43 AM.

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    Agreed. So will we now see a short conclusion that an average reader with a short span of attention can understand, saying what all this was about and what it finally showed?
    I hate to pester you, but in fact I'm curious, almost despite myself.
    Last edited by Walter; 05-08-2008 at 07:32 AM.

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    You don't really believe you can decode Poe in a hurry, do you?

    Anyway, the text below was addressed to Wikipedia (article on Al Araaf) early April this year. The article itself has not been edited accordingly yet (by WPD) but you may find it usefull.

    "2005-2007, at "The Literature Network Forums", researcher Antonios Emm.
    Kokkinis, Athens-Greece, interpreted online "The Sonnet to Zante", "Al Aaraaf" and subsequently "Annabel Lee" (Angelica Palli), "The Visionary", "Berenice" and other poems (it should read "works"*&^%$*) by Edgar thus documenting the participation of both Poe brothers to two different "greek expeditions" (1823-1827) and their (as well as John Allen's) close ties to the orientalists Caussin de Percevals (father and son, same family as "french" Cochin(i), Cazin, Cassiny, "greek" Kokkini and "american" Caussin,Cassin, Cozine etc).
    The "mysterious personalities" of "Le comte de Saint Germain", "count Cagliostro" are also thereby illuminated and an 1835 Zante murder case (involving, among others, the greek poet Dionysios Solomos) that inspired Edgar Poe to write "To Zante" is solved. "

    "Moroni" above is a sidekick, you may say, and an open invitation to the countless "scholars" either debating the issue "D'Anastasi papyri" etc for some 180 years now or covering up facts and issues.

    They are wellcome to prove me wrong and, until then, I am well satisfied both by the attention this thread received as well as by being now recognised, officialy more or less, as "Nesace=small island" godfather.

    Curiosity kills cats, Walter, and so does "the economy", heh-heh!
    Last edited by yanni; 05-08-2008 at 11:35 AM. Reason: edit wkpd's copied text

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanni View Post
    You don't really believe you can decode Poe in a hurry, do you?
    No, but I think you can now explain what your purpose was, and whether you achieved it, in about two short sentences.

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    I found and told my truth, "Walter", it's your turn now!

    (one short sentence)

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    Even shorter sentence: "Fuhgeddaboudit!"

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    Is that a quorumangelorum or not?
    You talk like Mario Puzzo's "Godfather"....

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    Wikipedia's "Gioachino", aka "Yanni the greek".....

    ....following the conversation quoted below with "Midnightdreary", their "Poe expert", stopped trying to edit relevant Wiki-article on Al Aaraaf.

    Enjoy:

    Re my "Al Aarraf" contribution!
    Did you remove it from the "current" version of the article and if so, why?
    Nevertheless, you'd propably need do something about "it" sooner or later!
    Cheers! User:Gioachino 06:47,(talk) 31 May 2008 (UTC)

    Your answer at my "talk" page-thanks-does not really address the issue: "It" is bigger than anything written on Poe so far, my "bad english" did not prevent me from solving his mystery, the ball is in your park now, I am done with Edgar, it's Henry Poe's turn next: Does the name "George Washington Cass" sound familiar to you btw?
    Cheers again!
    Gioachino (talk) 19:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

    I have no idea what you are trying to say. --Midnightdreary (talk) 13:10, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

    You "have no idea" because your Edgar's father was David Poe jr, mine's David Poe sr, your's foster father was a John Allan, mine's John AllEn (of Allenwood, Tennessee, friend of Andrew Jackson, a fillibusterer and shrewed businessman as well). As for "William henry Leonard Poe": They invented him jointly, in 1827, Edgar Allen and William Townshend Washington (nephew of the late president) who misbehaved and fell seriously ill while in Greece, 1823-24, returned to the States, visited John Allen summer 1825 to obtain a new "identity". Edgar replaced him returning to Greece as his brother George , spring 1827 and, among others, "fixed" William's death. That's how their early publication efforts materialised (by WHLP) and that's why "cadet Williams" T.Washington, in Paris 1822, "died" as William Townsend Washington April 1827 in Napoli, Campagna, Italy (US sources) or as George Townsend Washington, philhellene, in Napoli di Morea, Greece (greek and US sources).
    Re "Cass": Secretary Lewis Cass wrote a letter to David Douglas at West Point June 1827 recommending his nephew, son of his sister, yet named George Washington "Cass". Secretary L.Cass and professor D.Douglas are Edgar's two aquaintances NOT spoken about by "Poe scholars" repeating the same falsitudes over and over. G.W.Cass outlived Edgar but Edgar Allen Poe may have had his reasons to dissappear following the death of Tampico captain John Allen. (Also of interest a George Washington Poe, Edgar's penpal and the Raven's-Sam Houston-lieutenant!)
    Gioachino (talk) 15:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

    This is still mostly incoherent to me. What does this have to do with "Al Aaraaf". This sounds like a conspiracy theory that there was an "Edgar Allan Poe" and an "Edgar Allen Poe" with very similarly-named foster-fathers. I'm responding with a more relevant response on your talk page. --Midnightdreary (talk) 23:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

    "Secrecy shall knowledge be in the environs of heaven" huh? No, there was just one Edgar Allen Poe who declared his part in a conspiracy in his "Al Aaraaf". His con-spirator, John Allen was "The Raven's" fatherinlaw. Midnightdreary rimes with weak and weary and responds in this fashion too! Cheers! Gioachino (talk) 04:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
    Last edited by yanni; 06-03-2008 at 12:22 AM. Reason: presentation

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    "Onethousandandone" tale!

    Instead of feeling dissapointed by Wikipedia's rejection of his "Al Aaraaf contribution", a grain of salt, yourstruly was instead amused by their red tape choice. He also felt relieved for he had neither the intention nor the time to undertake editing current ignorance, neither had he the strength to prevent the skies from falling on the deaf and dumb reality he was trying to escape from, he just wanted to rest and be forgotten.

    In such a state of oblivious bliss, he only wished a better end be found for his story other than his previous wiki-post herein.

    So Melchior decided, just and only then, to appear, bringing tale "onethousandandone"!.

    That's how it happened:

    In parallel to his melee with Wiki-experts, yourstruly was surfing the web for "something"-he forgets what-that led him to "a" Grimm who was Catherine II's intimate friend, guest and art advisor. He quickly realised this Grimm had everything BUT the name in common with his, still cloudy, main hero also known as "The Wonderman"

    He had found Saint Germain's missing half *(see footnote) and, still mistaking "Melchior" for a mythwriter, he edited his just established "Gioachino" Wiki-userpage, adding his find but mislabeling "Grimm" as a mythwriter, reediting immediately after, "no harm done" he thought, as the impact, the significance, of his last find was progressively weighing him down!

    Excited nevertheless, he hurried posting a relative email to the french "enlightment" site-who had the guts to publish his "Saint Germain=Gioachino Cocchi" comment in the past- mixing up "Rousseau" with "Grimm", a mistake of minor importance , an excusable mistake perhaps that went unnoticed by the kind keepers who indeed published this new message**(see footnote) as well, but....

    ....in the meantime his find, Saint Germain's last punch, had him hurting flat on the ground, after taking its time to land, with such precision and weight, on the tip of his long nose.

    He tried applying the "at least I have it all on record" painkiller to recover from his injuries, his preceeding and consequent blunders, regoogled then for "Melchior Grimm" and came across an "international study center of the 18th century" in France who had decided, thirty years ago, to "rediscover" Melchior Grimm and have, today, a team of some 17 "scholars" looking through Melchior's fameuse Correspondance littéraire.

    He truly was stung back to reality reading they had also decided to limit their search to the specific period of their "Monsieur Grimm" they had control of, or so they thought when publishing their specific decision online:

    ...décidé de se limiter, dans un premier temps, à ce qu'il est convenu d'appeler la «période Grimm», celle qui va de mai 1753 à fin février 1773.

    Whistling his old "Oh, Fiddlesticks" (to the tune of Oh Tannenbaum), he stood back up on his feet, thanked Saint Germain kindly for the punchy message he finally received, picked up his own toy fiddle and started walking forward, a carefull step at a time.

    Marking the beginning of "Friedrich Melchior Grimm revisited" THIS is....

    ...........THE END OF THE POE ANNOUNCEMENT!

    * Rousseau's employer "Dupin de Franceuil" (George Sand's grandfather) and host "Bellegarde" (owner of La Chevrette") are two other alias used by Saint Germain (with Rousseau playing along,).A relative footnote has been added on post 109 herein.
    ** see http://www.terresdecrivains.com/ROUSSEAU
    Last edited by yanni; 06-08-2008 at 03:11 PM. Reason: Important footnote addition.

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    See Friedrich Melchior Grimm "revisited" at

    http://www.online-literature.com/for...533#post588533

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    Hello Yanni, I spent the whole night reading your posts and organizing them into a word file for my future reference.
    I am researching many families and individuals in the Mediterranean area, and I have built extended pedigrees of some families you cited and also very close to your Yanni. Please get in touch.

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    Have already emailed you.

    Greetings and compliments.

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    How come the moderators are allowing the posting of spam on here???

    TuoiDuc - do us all a favour and hijack some other site.

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