Fritzl told them his daughter was living with a sect now and, being unable to raise her children, had laid the newborn babies at his door. But credulous must you be to believe that?
yes (between consenting adults)
yes, but only if they get sterilized
no!
not sure
Fritzl told them his daughter was living with a sect now and, being unable to raise her children, had laid the newborn babies at his door. But credulous must you be to believe that?
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I saw it in yesterday's newspaper. Absolutely incredible that it could go on for 24 years. It's hard to believe she couldn't have had an opportunity to escape. I hope this man gets the harshest of punishment. Frankly he's lowest of the low.Originally Posted by barbara0207
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I would love to hear his justification. That would be amusing.
I hope so, too.
He must have planned everything so meticulously and his whole life must have revolved around locking up those ppl and heaving children with his daughter.... I don't see what anyone gets out of planning such a crime and basing his whole life on it...
I can't believe people put this in the incest thread. That has nothing to do with incest between consenting people, it's RAPE and abuse. You people really use any means to reach your end, but I hope some people out there will avoid falling into the trap of "incest is wrong" because of this video.
Sweets I think you have a fair point: this last case is one of rape and abuse, even if the victim was that horrible's man daughter, so it doesn't really relate to the what this thread has been discussing.
Since it has been brought up though here and not anywhere else:
I just read that Fritzl will probably get 15 years of imprisonment. Which I thought unfair, he should get at least the same amount of time that his daughter and the 3 kids were locked up for.
The wife has apparently been cleared of not knowing anything. Which I just can't believe: how can you live with someone and not pick up, even slightly, on their manners and moods? Wasn't she even suspicious that something was going on?
The saddest part will be for the victims to get used to life 'outside'.
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Thanks, at least one person understands my point.
I don't know about his wife not knowing about the situation. I think that it's possible to live with someone, think you know them very well and actually you realize one day that you never really knew them. That's scary, but I think that's possible, some people are real manipulators. There has been another story like that, I think it was in France, about a woman who was married and had three kids and she killed all the babies and put them into the freezer. Her husband was never aware that she was pregant until he found the freezed babies. Well, he claimed he was not aware of it. But I think this might be possible.
Yeah, the kids will have to get used to life outside now, but the sad thing is that life outside is not necessarily great either.
You're point is well noted Sweets.
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It's horrible and all the more worse because it's incestuous
yeah, vheissu, I agree with you. I don't know about the law in Austria, but I think in Germany a "life" sentence means a maximum of 15 years (or maybe it was 25?). I think they can't actually lock anyone up for their whole life or 999 years like in the US (I might have got it wrong, though).
edit: I did get it wrong, it's theminimum that's 15 years, not the maximum. but in practice, they normally don't lock up an old man for longer than that, assuming that a) he will die before the end of the sentence anyway and b) that an old person deserves to spend their final days outside of prison, even a perverted criminal
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humm I was wondering if this thread would be woken up, but here is my question isnt what he did just "evil" on its own with out the incest bit being added into the mix, surley he should be getting the same punishment eitther way, yes the incest additin was twisted and horrid but any man keeping a woman in a dugenon for 24 years deserves server punishment.
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Sorry I posted it here. I see your point, sweets. I didn't think about the implications for people who are for incest between consenting adults. (Just don't call me "people" next time you want to reproach me.
O schaurig ists übers Moor zu gehn,
wenn es wimmelt vom Heiderauche,
sich wie Phantome die Dünste drehn
und die Ranke häkelt am Strauche.
Annette von Droste-Hülshoff (1797 - 1843) (see avatar) Der Knabe im Moor/The Lad in the Moor
Yes, I see what you mean about 'people'.Sorry I posted it here. I see your point, sweets. I didn't think about the implications for people who are for incest between consenting adults. (Just don't call me "people" next time you want to reproach me.I hesitated between that and 'barbara' but I thought it was not only about you, more about those who would use what you posted to back up the idea that incest was wrong.
I had completely forgotten about the heated discussion concerning consenting adults, I just thought this might be something for the incest thread. Of course, Nightshade is right in a way.Yes, I see what you mean about 'people'.
However, I wouldn't call it "incest bit", that makes it seem too harmless. A parent is usually someone a child trusts, and abusing your own daughter is one of the most horrid things you can do to your offspring - short of murdering them. Perhaps it's even worse than murder - because by abusing her and imprisoning her he killed her soul.
O schaurig ists übers Moor zu gehn,
wenn es wimmelt vom Heiderauche,
sich wie Phantome die Dünste drehn
und die Ranke häkelt am Strauche.
Annette von Droste-Hülshoff (1797 - 1843) (see avatar) Der Knabe im Moor/The Lad in the Moor
Brother and Sister consensual incest is o.k. Look at ancient Egyptians.
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