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    Our next story reading and discussion is:


    The Witch a la Mode




    This story was begun in the spring of 1911; Lawrence was 25 years of age and had just lost his mother, to a long struggle with cancer; as most of you know, Lawrence had an unusually close relationship to his mother, which is greatly explored in "Sons and Lovers" and his biographies. In this period, he had also broken off with several key women in his life and he had a severe illness, in which he nearly died himself. Many biographers claim he was greatly altered after this illness and became even more sensitized to the world around him, especially the natural world. See references below, for more information on this time period in Lawrence's life.

    The story is about a young man, going back to visit with a family he had been close to, because of his close ties to their daughter, Winifred. We find out early on, that he is betrothed to another woman, who is referred to in the story as Connie or Constance. He originally, was on his way to visit his fiancé, when he took a slight detour to stop the night and see Mrs. Braithwaite, obviously hopeful of meeting up again with his old flame. He uses the excuse, that he is too far from Connie’s house, to travel there at this hour of the night, using his fatigue as a further excuse to venture any further. As anticipated, he does meet up with Winifred and there is an intricate verbal matching of wills and intentions that pursues; with many interesting references to witchcraft, etc and much symbolism for all of us to muse on and try to interpret.

    From D.H.Lawrence The Early Fiction by Michael Black:
    ..the short story ‘The Witch a la Mode’ explores the whole context of witchcraft, lamplight, and the long kiss which is vampire-like. The idea of a spirituality like a pressure-lamp, which burns so intensely that it consumes the vessel, the person concerned, links this passage to Miriam Leivers, in Sons and Lovers. There, too, we encounter the notion of ‘leaking’ – or a reversal of that process (‘as if he had not sufficient sheathing to prevent the night and the space breaking into him’).
    I can go into that in more detail later and explain what he means by that last line...there is more explanation in my book. First we have to read the story, of course.

    In the same reference book I found this:

    The Lawrence-figure in ‘The Witch a la Mode’ is called Bernard Coutts; and the links here are with the young teacher in ‘Lesson on the Tortoise’, and with Cyril Mersham. But the woman is based on Helen Corke*, and a whole set of themes is derived from that relationship.
    *Helen Corke was one of Lawrence intimage girlfriends. In "Sons and Lovers" the character of Clara is partly based on Helen Corke, along with other women Lawrence knew at that time period.

    Biograhical references below from D.H.Lawrence A Calendar of his Works by Sager
    1911 at 12 Colworth Road, Croydon in school terms until the end of September, when the Jonese moved to 16 Colworth Road. On 29th July Lawrence, Ada and Louie Burrows* went to Prestatyn in North Wales for the fortnight. Lawrence spent frequent weekends at the Burrows home in Quorn.
    Louie Burrows was Lawrence's finance at one time. Therefore the character of Connie was probably partly based on her.

    This next part is from Lawrence's diary or a letter; in the Timeline book:

    SUMMARY …and , in the sick year after [the death of his mother]. The collapse for me of Miriam [Jessie Chambers], and of Helen [Corke], and of the other woman, the woman of ‘Kisses in the Train’ and ‘Hands of the Betrothed’[Louie Burrows]. Then, in that year, for me, everything collapsed, save the mystery of death, and the haunting of death in life. I was twenty-five, and from the death of my mother, the world began to dissolve around me, beautiful, iridescent, but passing away substancesless. Till I almost dissolved away myself, and was very ill. [CP 851]

    Lawrence continued to work on Paul Morel. He wrote the first versions of the stories ultimately known as ‘The Witch a la Mode’[C215 A71], ‘The Old Adam’[A71], ‘Daughters of the Vicar’[A6], ‘Second Best’[C9 A6], ‘The Shades of Spring’[C18 A6] and rewrote most of his earlier stories…..

    12 APRIL The third story was probably ‘Intimacy’ (‘Witch a la Mode’). ‘Intimacy’ was certainly written about his time [Corke 210]. The story describes a musical evening at the home of the pianist Laura Macartney at Purley, Lawrence attended several such evenings in the spring and summer of 1911, including 6 April. In the story, however, it is ‘an evening in March’.
    During this time period, it seemed that Lawrence was struggling greatly with his writing, especially that of Paul Morel, which later became Sons and Lovers. Somedays he could not even write a word. Also,= to note, would be the fact that he was working at the same time (while writing these short stories and his novel) at Croydon as a school teacher. His severe illness that almost claimed his life after his mother’s death, halted any further working in a teaching environment. Also, what stood out to me, when reading more about this time period in The Calender of his Works, was the fact, that Lawrence was very much fluctuating between his sketching, drawing, painting and his writing. If he wrote one day, he concentrated on his visual art the next one or even few days, in-between. In my own opinion, in this time frame the stories reflect very much this sad personal time in this young writers life and also his intense and visionary skill at painting with words.
    Also to note, is all the sadness and confusion he was experienceing at this time, having broken his ties with three woman he had been very close to, and the loss his mother.

    So what does everyone say, shall we begin reading the story and start discussing, that is when everyone has completed their reading and is ready?
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    Well I hope to have the story read over the weakend. I am looking forward to it.

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    Fabulous intorduction Janine. I started skimming last night. But it will take a while for me to really read it. I usually don't comment until I've read it twice.
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    I should hopefully have the story read on Firday. Usually I will read the story over once and post my initial coments, thoughts, impression and such, than as the discussion progressess I will begin to rexamine the story looking for sepcific things and such.

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    Hi Everybody!

    Quotes by Antiquarian
    Sounds wonderful, Janine. Thanks for all the background. And the montage (is that the right word) is lovely.
    Glad it enticed you to read the story, Antiquarian.
    Oh, thank you! Yes, it is a montage but in my program it was called a composite. It really wasn’t exactly what I had in-mind, because I could not make piano keys, an oil lamp (couldn’t find a broken one or one with a flame) or the anemones (poppies) and a violin work all together. After I finished and posted that photo, half satisfied I thought of how I could have done it…by making the photo long and thin and putting a bit of each image next to each other…oh well, I will use that method next time. At least this one is eye-catching with the red and I thought she would have had to pick the poppies in the field and also red is so symbolic of flame or fire, don’t you think?
    These montage/composites are fun to make. I have an old Adobe Photo Deluxe program (old now) that will do so many cool artistic things with photos.

    I think I can read the story tomorrow while my husband's at the gym. At least I hope so. I'm looking forward to it, too, DM. Sounds great.
    Glad everyone is looking forward to this. All your enthusiasm is great to feel; it's infectious!

    I should follow that practice, Virgil. I often comment on things before I've thought them through, then have to make new comments correcting myself.
    Hey, Antiquarian, I think we all do that; we are only human and sometimes our minds rush ahead of us. It is good to see such enthusiasm actually. I have been doing it more lately too, like in the Chekhov thread and then changing my mind about what I wrote, prior to my last post. It is getting confusing in there and I am a bit tired now of the last story. Hope Quark picks a new one soon. Maybe the fact we have picked one here will encourage him.

    I read the story this afternoon and enjoyed it very much. I'll have to read it again before I comment, though.
    Fabulous, so glad you liked it,Antiquarian. I agree – it is always best to read the story again. I sometimes read them 3 and 4 times.
    I have to go and get the online text today to past into my Word program – then I make a shortcut right to my desktop. I found this works so well. Also, if you pull up two Microsoft Work windows you can write comments/notes in the second one, so you can post those online later. It is sometimes easier that way to see the story, directly in front of you. So many ‘key’ words become apparent.

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    I should hopefully have the story read on Friday. Usually I will read the story over once and post my initial coments, thoughts, impression and such, than as the discussion progressess I will begin to rexamine the story looking for sepcific things and such.
    Dark Muse, would it help you, if we started actually discussing this story on late weekend,...or even Monday? I know my weekends usually end up being a little hectic, and I know right now, I am needing to get my housework at least set up to do, if not scratch the surface; I need do some straightening today. I keep putting it off and I am literally tripping over things like shoes and flip-flops and books, books, books! A, you will never live that ‘flip-flop’ remark down with me now! I don’t know – what is the general consensus here? That would give Quark and islandclimber a chance to read the story. They both showed great interest in it. Hey, where are those guys anyway? Probably they are still reading….of goofing off and drinking tea…see the Chekhov thread. They are having quite a teaparty in there.


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    Fabulous introduction Janine. I started skimming last night. But it will take a while for me to really read it. I usually don't comment until I've read it twice.
    Thanks so much, Virgil. It took me a long time to type all of that in in the introduction…it is good to be appreciated; thanks! I didn’t want to use my scanner since my computer has been acting up (super-slow) and besides the information was from different books. I have much more commentary on this story, I think. I will be checking other books to see what I can dig up. This was one of Lawrence's popular stories, I believe. Isn't the title a neat one?
    Last edited by Janine; 04-24-2008 at 04:35 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antiquarian View Post
    The weekend is fine with me, Janine. And I do like the composite. The poppies are gorgeous, but you know how much I love nature imagery. Oh, flip-flops! LOL I saw a girl wearing them in a restaurant last night.
    Hi Antiquarian! Don't I know it though. I knew you would like the pastoral element and definitely I thought you would like the violin. Well, all the anemones I found online in vases, were just plain dull looking and not vibrant like these. Poppie anemones are brilliant in color, like fire. Hey, I think I already detected one bit of symbolism or forshadowing in the story. Think I am right? Poppies do look flamelike, in someway.
    My neighbor has those type poppies in her front garden. When they bloom, I go wild. They are such an intense red and red is not my favorite color flower, but these are stunning to see. By the way, the ones in my composite photo are from the UK.

    When you saw the flip-flops, did you think of me? I would imagine you will be encountering a lot of flip-flops by now. I saw tons of ads for them. I have too many as it is ; I better not even look at those ads.

    Hi DM, too.

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    DM, I tend to do the same thing in any book discussion.
    It is always good to give an opinion and overview at first after reading; or a first impression. However, it is helpful, if everyone does not jump too far ahead in discussing the actual text, theme of the story or plot. Some people may not have read the story yet, when we start discussing it. If you mention the ending, please just put 'spoiler' before your post in bold. Also, and this is just a suggestion and one I have made before, if we jump right into discussing the ending, no one wants to disguss the rest of the story and the discussions die out too quickly. Way back when we started this thread,Virgil taught me a good thing: to take the story slowly and underline the key words, as we go along, also to break down the story into sections to discuss. It might be beneficial, as well, to look at the various aspects of the story like theme, symbolism, forshadowing...usually this does come out when we take it slowly and look at key words and phrases first.
    I don't mean to be lecturing, but remember, we do have lots of time to discuss this story and it is not that long a story, anyway.....so everyone, please take it slowly...


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    I should hopefully have the story read on Firday. Usually I will read the story over once and post my initial coments, thoughts, impression and such, than as the discussion progressess I will begin to rexamine the story looking for sepcific things and such.
    Yeah, you have the right idea...DM....just don't give away the ending yet...
    Last edited by Janine; 04-24-2008 at 11:28 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antiquarian View Post
    I think it's pretty obvious that the fire in the fireplace and the scarlet anemones at Winifred's signify that she's a giver of life - at least to Coutts. But why is so odd they're on the piano? Winifred, I thought, played the violin.
    You really think she is a giver of life? That is interesting. We must discuss that more later on. I don't know if I see it that way - why was did she lead him on and then pull back then? I really don't wish to venture that far into the story yet, but it is something to think about. I don't know about the flowers exactly, but Coutts does mention it was unexpected of Winifred - he would have thought she would have freesias sitting in the vase on the piano, instead of the bright red flowers...so it did seem to signify something important...Lawrence would not have pointed it out like that if it had not meant something vital to the story. Maybe the red even symbolised Lawrence 'blood philosophy', we mentioned in the last story, or fire in general, fire being warm like the sun. The moon is also mentioned and I know that indicates a coldness and bright whie light for Lawrence and death, or an unliving state. A star is always Lawrence's special good omen.
    I guess she just owned the piano, so that someone could accompany her when she played the violin, but maybe she did play both. I don't think in that day, it was that uncommon to have a piano in one's house. I know Lawrence's mother had a piano and played often, and I know my grandmother had one and played occasionally. My mother still has one in our living room and she rarely plays now. Many people had them to play hymns, Christmas carols or classical music. Lawrence even wrote a poem about his mother and the piano and an essay on loving the old hymns. The poem is one of my favorites. I should look it up for you. I have noticed that pianos have played dominately in Lawrence's works. In the time with no television or radios of phonographs, I guess people had to entertain themselves someway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janine View Post
    Hi Everybody!

    Dark Muse, would it help you, if we started actually discussing this story on late weekend,...or even Monday? I know my weekends usually end up being a little hectic, and I know right now, I am needing to get my housework at least set up to do, if not scratch the surface; I need do some straightening today. I keep putting it off and I am literally tripping over things like shoes and flip-flops and books, books, books!
    Monday would be good for me, I should definately have the story read by then. But I do not want to hold anyone up if they have already read the story and want to start comenting on it. I will just do my best to catch up to everything when I am able.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Muse View Post
    Monday would be good for me, I should definately have the story read by then. But I do not want to hold anyone up if they have already read the story and want to start comenting on it. I will just do my best to catch up to everything when I am able.
    Monday would be better for me, too actually. We will see what the others say. The guys don't even seem aware yet of the announcement, except for Virgil. They are both missing in Chekhov, too. They will probably show up later. Anyway, if we already read the story, it will give us all a chance to re-read it, and maybe make some notations of things we would like to discuss/also organise our thoughts on the story.

    Antiquarian, what was the name of that other story you wanted me to read - the Faulkner one? I want to look that up online to keep in a file offline. If it is not too long I will print it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antiquarian View Post
    MINOR SPOILER ALERT: THOSE WHO HAVE NOT READ THE STORY MAY NOT WANT TO READ THIS POST

    He thought she would have white freesias, "...cream and gold and restrained, bruised purple..." He was very surprised at scarlet anemones. I think there's a definite significance, and I think it's significant they're on the piano. Here are a few lines from the story:

    "I say," he said, this is a variation from your line!"

    He pointed to a bowl of magnificent scarlet anemones that stood on the piano.

    "Why?" she asked, pausing in arranging her hair at the small mirror.

    "On the piano!" he admonished.

    "Only while the table was in use," she smiled, glancing at the litter of papers that covered her table.

    He's also extremely surprised because the anemones are scentless. and freesias are not.

    I do think she's a giver of life, in a certain way, but I'll hold off on explaining why until everyone's read the story.

    END OF POSSIBLE SPOILER
    I won't really answer this now, unless someone else jumps in to, like Mr. V; anyway I don't think she is a giver of life....and what exactly would you say that means? I have specific reasons and people she directly relates to in L's real life so this is definitely influencing me. But we can go into that later on. You can also email me if you want to expound on that thought and then later add it to the posts.
    Yes, I too thought it curious they were scentless but I might have a small notion on that idea, too.
    Ok, this should be a really great discussion. It is starting off with a bang. A friend just called me, so I will be back later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antiquarian View Post
    Janine, you are referring to H.C.? Perhaps Winifred is not a giver of life, but a giver of passion.

    SPOILER ALERT DO NOT READ UNTIL YOU'VE READ THE STORY

    Perhaps she sucks the life out of men, and that's why he expected her to have white flowers rather than red. But I really don't think so.

    And I'm still stuck as to why Coutts is so surprised that they're on the piano.

    END OF SPOILER


    Ok, Antiquarian, I am back finally, but now I see you are gone - your light's no longer on.
    First off, I was typing the post above yours when my friend called, so I forgot to thank you for the name of the Faulkner story. I like the title; thanks. I will copy and try to read it tonight.

    Possible SPOILER

    H.C.? I am lost now, who is that you are referring to? Yes, I agree that Winifred may have had a 'passionate' connection at one time, with Coutts (I believe that to have been the case), but she is now holding back from his full physical contact.

    Don't poppies (red ones) symbolise rememberance? For instance, they were a symbol from the war, to remember the fallen soldiers. Veterans give paper poppies out on military holidays, when you give a donation. I thought his might be significant to this story - the idea of 'rememberance' - maybe 'passion remembered, although now dead'.

    end of SPOILER


    It is hard explaining Lawrence and just how complex his male and female interactions/relationships/struggles are. I think if you get around to reading "Sons and Lovers", Antiquarian, that will reveal so much to you about how the young Lawrence thought, in regards to women and relationships. This story is one written in the same time frame as "Paul Morel" or what later became know as "S&L". When you start "S&L" it might go slowly at first...first few chapters do... but stick with it and you will not be sorry. The story really draws one in and I don't know anyone who has read it, that seriously said they did not like it; most people I know loved it.
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    Well I ended up reading the story tonight instead of waiting for tomorrow, but I will probably read it over again tomorrow as well, but until then I just wanted to say a few things.

    Honestly, I have to admit this was not one of my favorite of the stories we have read. And well it did get to be a but annoying and redundant with all the laughing. After every single line of dialogue just about, someone laughed. It seemed a bit poor writing for Lawrence in that regard.

    But one of the things I really did enjoy about the story was the symbolism that was used in this one. I rather did enjoy many of the passages, and well this will probably come as no surprise from the Chekov Thread, but I did love all the references made of the moon.

    I think this story will be interesting and fun to discuss.

    And, to be different, and so not to disappoint I really did not like the man in this story.

    Mr. Coutts was just so irritatingly full of himself.

    Though I must say, Laura did annoy me a bit, even though she only played a brief role at the beginning of the story

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    Honestly I have to say for some reason or another, I did not have a problem with Winifred

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    Yes I agree, I would not say I really liked Winnie, but there was something about her that I found interesting. Laura annoyed me, I hated Mr. Coutts. And I have to agree I did feel for Connie as well even if we never acutally meet her.

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    Dark Muse and Antiquarian, you two are a riot! Go back and listen to your posts. I just came on and geez...I hope I am not attacked for picking this story...no throwing of rotten tomatoes at me...

    Wow, Islandclimber is going to be in direct opposition to you Dark Muse; he said this was his favorite Lawrence short story....and Manny suggested this one, out of all I showed him I had read...he said it was good story.

    This is funny, I did not even think, as I read the story, whether I liked the characters or not. However, both of you seem to have strong opinions right away about liking or disliking the various characters. I usually just view the characters, in these stories, as having their human weaknesses and flaws or acting poorly or in reasonable fashion, which Lawrence is so good at portraying; he really gets into their heads.... and no one said we had to like anyone, for that matter. I find the stories interesting and fascinating, anyway.
    Dark Muse, you always don't like someone - usually the woman I noticed. How funny you don't hate the man this time or did you say you did? Now you have company since Antiquarian doesn't like anyone in this story.

    I am beginning to think we should have an opinion poll at the top of each story, so we can vote on how we view the charcters such as 'Hate, Like, Undecided, Love.' Hey, you two, this is not the 'Love, Hate' thread.

    I would have to direly disagree with Dark Muse, that this is a poorly written work. I think a lot of critics would just cringe, if they heard that. This story was one of Lawrence's most popular and acclaimed ones, I believe...but I will look up further, what has been said and written about it and post some commentary directly; so don't just take my word for that. There is a couple page commentary in my Michael Black book, so he must have found it interesting. I do know Lawrence wrote it when quite young and therefore, it might not appear as polished or as advanced as stories, such as 'Sun' or 'The Man Who Loved Islands' - those stories came from a much different period in Lawrence's writing, when he turned to a more surrealistic approach. This story encompasses more, the rudimentary rural life and the pastoral feel of this early novels, "Sons and Lovers" and "The White Peacock", these being influenced by Thomas Hardy's work, but then taken a step further with Lawrence's own ideas. It is interesting to note, that in some of the Hardy novels 'witchcraft' is evident and the symbols of 'witchcraft' and the 'moon' is often very prominent, playing into his plots. I am thinking specifically of "Return of the Native", if any of you have read that novel. In fact, locals thought Eustachia to be a witch. These pagan beliefs are rooted in Hardy's culture and reflect in his works; he often explores how the town's people harbour so much superstition and believe in the pagan witchcrafts of ages past. In Hardy's work, unlike Lawrence's, 'fate' is a big factor. In Lawrence's work, he goe further to express 'free will', although his characters are often trapped in circumstances, they fight to free themselves from.

    Anyway, it will be interesting to see just what the men have to say about this story. Where did they all go, anyway? I know Quark is still mulling over the choice for Chekhov ; I wish he would decide soon. I don't want to take my library book back, until he does.

    Antiquarian, the moon image is not easily explained but I think Virgil can explain that better than I can. I did just recently read commentary that the moon to Lawrence represented a coldness and a whiteness and perhaps death. Remember, at this time Lawrence was going through a dire period in his life, having just lost his mother and also lost the woman he was close to...don't think he had relationships with all the women at one time. No, to the contrary; in fact Lawrence very much believed in being married to one woman for life. Of course, in his youth he was struggling to find the right woman, and going through what most of us go through as youths. Therefore it looks like he was a real womanizer but in truth he was not to my eyes.

    Anyway, back to the moon, he may have seen the moon in cold terms and the morning star as a favorable omen. So when the moon is mentioned "He says the moon has set, and the evening star," he answered, "Both were out as I came down." The only thing I can make from this, is that the two combined made him hasten to her house or pursue her....he would see the star as the omen saying it was permissable or would be something he should pursue. Because in the next line she says
    She glanced swiftly at him to see if this speech was a bit of symbolism.
    This indicates that she understood what he was implying. Now I hope we can further understand just what that meant as well. I think that Virgil will have a thing of two to say about the moon. There was a chapter in "Women in Love" that was named "Moony". I will would excerpt some of those passage except it might be a spoiler for you to read the novel. Maybe I will go look the commentary up in the thread that deals with that chapter and the one dealing with 'the morning star'...both would be good resources to examine in relation to this story.
    Last edited by Janine; 04-25-2008 at 04:11 PM.
    "It's so mysterious, the land of tears."

    Chapter 7, The Little Prince ~ Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

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