should incest between brothers and sisters be legal?

[papayahed]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/7334649.stm

[muhsin]

Have read that embrassing news. What surprised me much is the fact that these two shameless couple let themselves be broadcasted all over the world. Oops!

[Virgil]

Have read that embrassing news. What surprised me much is the fact that these two shameless couple let themselves be broadcasted all over the world. Oops!

You're right. How could they not be hiding in shame? Shame is something that doesn't exist anymore.

[Pensive]

Shame is something that doesn't exist anymore.

Interesting statement.

[SleepyWitch]

You're right. How could they not be hiding in shame? Shame is something that doesn't exist anymore.

but wouldn't it be even more weird to do something (whether it's incest or whatever else) and then hide in shame? why not either do it and be open about it or leave it altogether in the first place?

[papayahed]

but wouldn't it be even more weird to do something (whether it's incest or whatever else) and then hide in shame? why not either do it and be open about it or leave it altogether in the first place?

Reminds me of some of the religious right. They preach and rally against certain things but then latter get caught doing those same things. Why even brooch the subject if you know you do it????

[kelby_lake]

No! It's disgusting!
'The law is nature! The law is only another word for what has a right to happen. If the law is wrong, that's because it is unnatural'

[Bakiryu]

No! It's disgusting!
'The law is nature! The law is only another word for what has a right to happen. If the law is wrong, that's because it is unnatural'

there are many things that are not legal and yet perfectly natural, a conundrum perhaps?

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In my opinion, everyone should stop butting in each others lives, as long as they do not harm them let people do what they will. Morality is a matter of opinion after all.

why do people feel the need to involve themselves in others lives, it's their own bodies for goddess sake. If you don't like it then about it, but don't preach or condemn or make laws that cannot be fully put into place.

Leave people be as they are.

[Virgil]

but wouldn't it be even more weird to do something (whether it's incest or whatever else) and then hide in shame? why not either do it and be open about it or leave it altogether in the first place?

I guess you're right. But coming out with it only shows what a lack of understanding they have on this.

Reminds me of some of the religious right. They preach and rally against certain things but then latter get caught doing those same things. Why even brooch the subject if you know you do it????

There are those who preach and follow and those that preach and fail. Human failing is universal. Actually you were more outraged when i said I spit out my gum than over incest. It goes to show you everyone preaches something. Or all the peaching I hear over global warming and not using fossil fuels. It's a question of values. Spitting out my gum is pretty insignificant to me. But I consider incest contemptable behavior.

[papayahed]

There are those who preach and follow and those that preach and fail. Human failing is universal. Actually you were more outraged when i said I spit out my gum than over incest. It goes to show you everyone preaches something. Or all the peaching I hear over global warming and not using fossil fuels. It's a question of values. Spitting out my gum is pretty insignificant to me. But I consider incest contemptable behavior.

I think you're confused. This is what I'm talking about:

David Vitter:

In 2006, he told The Times-Picayune, “I’m a conservative who opposes radically redefining marriage, the most important social institution in human history.”[43]

Why would you come out and say something like that when you know you're visiting a prostitute on a regular basis??

Vitter, a Republican senator in his first term, has acknowledged being involved with Palfrey's escort service. But after issuing brief statements apologizing for "a very serious sin," he has ducked follow-up questions. At trial, he would not have that luxury.

As for gum and incest. You're right I don't care about incest, it's not something I would personally partake in however I'm not interested in what other people do in their bedroom. Now gum, there is a possiblity I may step on your gum and that will be a pain in the butt to scrap off. I have a thing about littering, I think it's low class to throw stuff on the ground one could easily throw in a garbage can.

As for global warming I don't see the preaching. The facts are humans are putting more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere then ever before. It's been proven that the earth goes through climate changes periodically; We may be in one of those now changes now and It's hard to quantify the impact humans are having on that change.

What I know is that humans are pumping toxins into the air, into the land, and into our waters. Hell, I do all three on a daily basis. Looking for ways to minimize that impact and talking about it is hardly hypocritical (a word you throw around quite often). What's the issue? You've already mentioned your views on the issue many times and despite that some people here are environmentalists and believe it's a worthwile cause.

[Nightshade]

The only thing I have to say to this whole thread is this really I didnt know half the stuff that is illegal in the UK is illegal, and that is disturbing, and also raises the question if you look at the stepsiblings bit how many people actually know thats illegal? and why if people are concious of this is it often marketed as'romantic' to young teens in teen romance novels, and in quite a few teen non romance novels that I can picture in my head but think what they are called...disturbing,

It is in UK, under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, article 27 (as below)

Family relationships (1) The relation of one person (A) to another (B) is within this section if—
(a) it is within any of subsections (2) to (4), or
(b) it would be within one of those subsections but for section 67 of the Adoption and Children Act 2002 (c. 38) (status conferred by adoption).
(2) The relation of A to B is within this subsection if—
(a) one of them is the other’s parent, grandparent, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, aunt or uncle, or
(b) A is or has been B’s foster parent.
(3) The relation of A to B is within this subsection if A and B live or have lived in the same household, or A is or has been regularly involved in caring for, training, supervising or being in sole charge of B, and—
(a) one of them is or has been the other’s step-parent,
(b) A and B are cousins,
(c) one of them is or has been the other’s stepbrother or stepsister, or
(d) the parent or present or former foster parent of one of them is or has been the other’s foster parent.
(4) The relation of A to B is within this subsection if—
(a) A and B live in the same household, and
(b) A is regularly involved in caring for, training, supervising or being in sole charge of B.
(5) For the purposes of this section—
(a) “aunt” means the sister or half-sister of a person’s parent, and “uncle” has a corresponding meaning;
(b) “cousin” means the child of an aunt or uncle;
(c) a person is a child’s foster parent if—
(i) he is a person with whom the child has been placed under section 23(2)(a) or 59(1)(a) of the Children Act 1989 (c. 41) (fostering for local authority or voluntary organisation), or
(ii) he fosters the child privately, within the meaning given by section 66(1)(b) of that Act;
(d) a person is another’s partner (whether they are of different sexes or the same sex) if they live together as partners in an enduring family relationship;
(e) “step-parent” includes a parent’s partner and “stepbrother” and “stepsister” include the child of a parent’s partner.

this extends the prohibition to both family members and people who are, or have been, in a position of trust over the other. If you're really bored the whole Act is here : http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2003..._20030042_en_3

[TheFifthElement]

The only thing I have to say to this whole thread is this really I didnt know half the stuff that is illegal in the UK is illegal, and that is disturbing, and also raises the question if you look at the stepsiblings bit how many people actually know thats illegal? and why if people are concious of this is it often marketed as'romantic' to young teens in teen romance novels, and in quite a few teen non romance novels that I can picture in my head but think what they are called...disturbing,

step siblings were added to the Sexual Offences Act in 2003, perhaps a reflection of the increasing fluidity of the family unit; so it is probably that the fiction you're referring to pre-dates the offence.

[Virgil]

I think you're confused. This is what I'm talking about:

David Vitter:




Why would you come out and say something like that when you know you're visiting a prostitute on a regular basis??

Why am I confused? Like I said some preach and follow and some preach and fail. Obviously he failed. Frankly one of the insinuations of what I got was that you were implying that I preach but behind the scenes I practice incest. I'm preaching against incest. If you want to blur the argument with all sorts of extraneous issues, then we'll have a convoluted discussion.

As for gum and incest. You're right I don't care about incest, it's not something I would personally partake in however I'm not interested in what other people do in their bedroom. Now gum, there is a possiblity I may step on your gum and that will be a pain in the butt to scrap off. I have a thing about littering, I think it's low class to throw stuff on the ground one could easily throw in a garbage can.

As for global warming I don't see the preaching. The facts are humans are putting more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere then ever before. It's been proven that the earth goes through climate changes periodically; We may be in one of those now changes now and It's hard to quantify the impact humans are having on that change.

What I know is that humans are pumping toxins into the air, into the land, and into our waters. Hell, I do all three on a daily basis. Looking for ways to minimize that impact and talking about it is hardly hypocritical (a word you throw around quite often). What's the issue? You've already mentioned your views on the issue many times and despite that some people here are environmentalists and believe it's a worthwile cause.

Right. Like I said it's a question of values. You see an impact to society from what makes you outraged. Others who think that incest is wrong equally see it having a deleterious impact to society. You seem to be scoffing at others values. Which is ok, I proudly scoff at the environmentalist's values.

Edit: Actually that's not true. I scoff at their assessment of the data and the impact, not their values.

[papayahed]

Why am I confused? Like I said some preach and follow and some preach and fail. Obviously he failed. Frankly one of the insinuations of what I got was that you were implying that I preach but behind the scenes I practice incest. I'm preaching against incest. If you want to blur the argument with all sorts of extraneous issues, then we'll have a convoluted discussion.

oh bull****, virgie I in no way insinuated you are a closet incestigator. You know that I was responding to Sleepys comment about hiding in shame, (which reminds me of David Vitter, Larry Craig etc...)

Right. Like I said it's a question of values. You see an impact to society from what makes you outraged. Others who think that incest is wrong equally see it having a deleterious impact to society. You seem to be scoffing at others values. Which is ok, I proudly scoff at the environmentalist's values.

The only thing I said was I don't care, I don't see that as scoffing

Edit: Actually that's not true. I scoff at their assessment of the data and the impact, not their values

Which is funny because I scoff at your assessment. I've seen some of the impact toxins can have on our environment and humans firsthand. Save the flathead minnows!!!!

[Virgil]

oh bull****, virgie I in no way insinuated you are a closet incestigator.

Ok sorry if I hit a nerve. Peace. "Incestigator?" Is there such a word.

You know that I was responding to Sleepys comment about hiding in shame, (which reminds me of David Vitter, Larry Craig etc...)

Actually I didn't know, but if you're being fair you can add some politicians of the other political party. You can add Eliot Spitzer of New York to that list. Hypocrisy goes around to every one. Like I said human failing is universal.

Which is funny because I scoff at your assessment. I've seen some of the impact toxins can have on our environment and humans firsthand. Save the flathead minnows!!!!

That's not global warming. If there are real environmental issues, and I'm sure they're out there, I support them for the most part. But a cost-benefit analysis has to be performed. Yeah you can find traces of anything in tap water, but just because it's there to a minimal level doesn't mean it's harmful. My environmental passion is relegated to preserving wilderness, wetlands, and wildlife. Actually I'm disheartened that wolf hunting will be allowed in the northwest. It's good that wolves have made a comeback through the wildlife act, but now some will actively kill them because of their success.