should incest between brothers and sisters be legal?

[RJbibliophil]

Oh Sleepy, please. How repulsive to even think this. Come on.

I second that!

According to parliamentary procedure:

It has been moved and seconded to discontinue this topic because of repulsiveness. Any discussion, any discussion, any discussion? Seeing none, we will now proceed to vote: All in favor say, "I". *chorus of "I"s* All opposed same sign. *silence* Motion carries. *one gable tap*

[metal134]

You think society hasn't fallen?

Nope.

[Koa]

You think society hasn't fallen? With all the murder, drug use, robberies, etc.? Granted, those things have always been around and probably always will be, but society seems to be more and more "approving" of wrong actions all the time.

There's something definitely wrong with a society where we have to have alarm systems in our homes, where kids have to walk through metal detectors at schools, where our cellular phones have to lock, etc.

Some people aren't still here - Columbine, Virginia Tech, etc. and some people don't think of society as "civilized" now. I'm only in my thirties and I can see society's decline. There were no metal detectors in schools when I went to school and no need for them and no "road rage." Now, people think "road rage" is a perfectly acceptable behavior. I could go on and on, but what's the point? People just aren't acting "right" and a very permissive society is partly to blame.

Ok not too relevant but shall I remind you that in most of the world a metal detector at school is unheard of? And that in most places, including my country which happens to be one of the most industrialised or so the G8 thingy thinks, most school wouldn't probably be able to afford a metal detector? (ok it's been almost a decade but my school had more immediate problems such as holes in the wall and stuff )
And I don't think that two adult siblings marrying willingly contribute to this decline. Maybe people who make children without being able to bring them up sensibly are more to blame?

My grandmother keeps repeating "oh what a terrible world we live in". Last time my dad reminded her that the previous world sucked hard as well. Two world wars, anyone?

[Janine]

Voted, don't want to discuss it.



An opinion, which you're entitled to, of course, as everyone is, but not a valid argument with no facts to back it up.

Voted, don't want to discuss it. I'm not out to change anyone's opinion and it's fruitless for anyone to try to change mine - at least on this topic. Siblings and those more closely related than second cousins should never, never have a romantic relationship.

Now, I'll unsubscribe. Arguments and debates, unless about literature, are not for me, whether the tide is "for" my opinion as this one is by the vote count, or "against" it, doesn't matter, so I should have never wandered into this thread. It's coming too close to argument for my personal comfort. I'm more comfortable out of the discussion. My mistake in even posting here when I have no intention of debating.

Antiquarian, I would definitely agree with you, with what you have posted above. Luckily, I posted once or twice and then I did vacate, awhile ago. To be honest with you, I don't have time these days, for these types of debate - nothing against anyone. If I were you, I listen to your own words and quickly vacate this thread; stick to the non-combative ones like literature/music/film discussions, etc. I don't see what this thread has to do, at all with literature. As you said, you voted and have nothing more to discuss on the matter. I feel the same way.

[papayahed]

huh? So you guys are posting to say you're not going to post??

[Sweets America]

papayahed said it all. And Janine, this is 'general chat' here, while you have all the rest of the site to talk about Literature.

I understand how some people are fed up with silly threads, but this one, in my opinion, is absolutely not silly, it is on the contrary very interesting. And it's not about changing anyone's opinion, it's about opening ourselves to other ways of thinking. I disagreed with a lot of people here, but I'm not going to ask anyone to change their minds. Debates are not about that for me...

[Janine]

huh? So you guys are posting to say you're not going to post??

Yeah!!!! pretty funny, don't you think? Papaya?

[metal134]

An opinion, which you're entitled to, of course, as everyone is, but not a valid argument with no facts to back it up.

You want facts to back it up? How about the centuries upon centuries of literature and other media in which people have said "society has fallen". I could pull a book from over 1000 years ago off my shelf and read about how terrible a place the world is and rememeber how much better it used to be? It is an ever present senitiment. In 50 years, people will be talking about how terrible the wolrd has become and harkening back to how much better things where in the good ol' days of 50 years prior.

[Koa]

Gosh, that's why this forum gets so boring at times... too many peaceful people. I don't know what's life without debate and arguments... I'd hate it. Well anyway, to each its own, have a nice day in your shell and please try not to get out into the real world, that might hurt...

[Virgil]

Gosh, that's why this forum gets so boring at times... too many peaceful people. I don't know what's life without debate and arguments... I'd hate it. Well anyway, to each its own, have a nice day in your shell and please try not to get out into the real world, that might hurt...

Well, we Italians aren't afraid of a little argument.

Antiquarian and Janine, I don't mean anything harsh toward either of you, but why are you so afraid of a little back and forth, even if a couple of elbows are jabbed? It doesn't hurt to be a little Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to Know. Anyway, your opinions are respected.

[Sweets America]

Debating doesn't necessarily means being angry at each other. I just love debating, just for the sake of it. Sometimes I even defend opinions which are not mine, only for the sake of debating.
I'm nutty.

[TheFifthElement]

Debating doesn't necessarily means being angry at each other. I just love debating, just for the sake of it. Sometimes I even defend opinions which are not mine, only for the sake of debating.
I'm nutty.

I'm nutty too! I agree Sweets, a debate doesn't have to be an argument or personal. To me discussion of any kind is about opening your mind to other people's views and being prepared for your views to be challenged, because if no one ever challenges us how are we ever supposed to learn or grow. That being said, sometimes the debates can get a little 'close to the bone' and I think people ought to be aware of how their comments may be interpreted by the reader, if it's not the intention for the comment to be 'personal' then you need to be really careful about the type of language used. I think this is especially difficult in the written form. For example,metal134, not to single you out, but sometimes I read your comments and think 'ouch', because, to me, sometimes your comments seem very blunt and sarcastic. Now you may not intend it so, but as a reader that's the 'tone' I pick up. But then that's just me, other people might read what you've said and think nothing of it. For me personally, I think I run the risk of coming across as patronising when, again, it is not intended. I'd hope someone would tell me so (nicely!) if that was the case.

We're all from very different cultural backgrounds - this doesn't mean that we shouldn't debate, I think it's especially valuable to debate 'difficult' subjects, but when debating we should perhaps be careful to ensure that we are careful in the use of language because it can be interpreted in so many different ways. If that weren't so, what would there be to discuss about literature?

[Lote-Tree]

Sometimes I even defend opinions which are not mine, only for the sake of debating.

That is just plain dishonest!

I despise such people ;-)

[TheFifthElement]

Sometimes I even defend opinions which are not mine, only for the sake of debating.

That is just plain dishonest!

I despise such people ;-)

it's not dishonest, but a really great way to see the issue from another point of view. This is the way mediators work - Sweets, have you considered a career in mediation? I think you'd be pretty good at it.

[Lote-Tree]

it's not dishonest, but a really great way to see the issue from another point of view.

It is shallow and deceptive.

This is the way mediators work - Sweets, have you considered a career in mediation? I think you'd be pretty good at it.

Mediation is not debate!