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    Wouldn't it be better if we try to save it now? So, that others have a future to enjoy in? Which you seem selfishly thoughtless to the future by caring only for yourself. (Bravo!)
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    To save humanity is to doom the planet, in most cases. General regard for the planet is held by all, but until we actually begin dying in droves because of what we've done to the planet, no one will truly care. Personally I don't believe it is possible to "save" the human race, but that doesn't mean it isn't still going to continue on for another couple thousand years and suceed greater than we are now.

    I used to share some commonplace well being of humanism towards the rest of the people in this world, but I've since given it up for lack of reason to uphold it. I don't contest that what I believe is not selfish; it is very much so selfish, but that doesn't mean I don't have my priorities just as you have yours. To me, what happens to this world means little because I won't be around to see it happen. And beyond that selfish inclination, I also contest that the willingness to actually believe you can save the world is just as selfish in that one believes one is really that superior to the world they're on that they above all others can save it. I believe the Earth doesn't need saving and that we are merely parasites and just another species to eventually die out. That is merely my own pessimistic outlook.

    Humans work by taking over land, reproducing, and destroying what conflicts with their wants in most cases. It is only an inevitability that humanity will have its demise at some point because all animals do. I just feel that since it certainly won't happen in my lifetime, there's no point in worrying about it, even if it does hamper future generations. Selfish? Yes. Reasonable? I'd like to think so. Why spend my time and energy trying to save the planet when I could be doing things I enjoy doing that might make the limited time we have here more meaningful? That's all I'm trying to say, I think.
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    Wow, you are good. Can't continue to argue here. I'm fighting a losing battle. This is very annoying.
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    Heh, don't take much from it. I try to answer to the best of my abilities and I started answering purely religious questions all the time at 15 only to grow tired of it. Let's just say the trick is to always know exactly what you believe because once you know that, you know exactly how to defend it. Just keep asking questions and looking into yourself to see what you believe, it'll make sense and seem just as persuasive as what I said if you defend it enough times.
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    May I please interject: "If all of the true christians in the world were to disappear due to a "rapture", no one would notice, so few are their numbers. Those who believe them selves to be christians generally are not. Pity to buy into a sold out time share project, only to find that the advertiser has left the building.
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    Quote Originally Posted by octaviaoccult
    "If all of the true christians in the world were to disappear due to a "rapture", no one would notice, so few are their numbers. Those who believe them selves to be christians generally are not.
    I'd have to believe that easily because many of us just go to church and they think they get to say, "I'm saved". More, less humans won't destroy the planet unless we try pretty hard to wipe each other out with nukes. Besides that, the most likely thing to happen would be a slow decay on Earth.
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    I think, if God wills it, we will be allowed to obliterate ourselves, but only at the specified time. In the Bibal it state that not even Jesus will know the end time, so it is very arrogant to assume that we can predict our downfall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by octaviaoccult
    May I please interject: "If all of the true christians in the world were to disappear due to a "rapture", no one would notice, so few are their numbers. Those who believe them selves to be christians generally are not. Pity to buy into a sold out time share project, only to find that the advertiser has left the building.
    Thank you for sharing your opinion, octaviaoccult, but I think the true Christian would also interject, replying to your judgment: "Judge not, lest ye be not judged."

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    I think that many signs of the Apocalypse have already being revealed. Have they not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mono
    Thank you for sharing your opinion, octaviaoccult, but I think the true Christian would also interject, replying to your judgment: "Judge not, lest ye be not judged."
    Are you, uh, sure you've got the correct quote there, M0N0?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Aubrey
    I think that many signs of the Apocalypse have already being revealed. Have they not?
    Earthquakes, wars, conflcts, sickness, parents against children vis a versa...tell me something new..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mono
    Thank you for sharing your opinion, octaviaoccult, but I think the true Christian would also interject, replying to your judgment: "Judge not, lest ye be not judged."
    That sounds like the lyrics from Hollier Than Thou "Judge not lest ye be judged yourself..." I'm sorry for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by subterranean
    Earthquakes, wars, conflcts, sickness, parents against children vis a versa...tell me something new..
    I think we have always existed as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil
    Are you, uh, sure you've got the correct quote there, M0N0?
    Yes, I feel sure.

    *google to find source*
    Judge not, [lest] that ye be not judged. (Matthew 7:1)

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    You're right there Mono: Judge not, that ye be not judged.

    But maybe Basil didn't mean right as in the right quotation. I mean by saying "Are you, uh, sure you've got the correct quote there, M0N0?" maybe Basil was being ironic ..Just a guess.

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