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    Thanks for the encouragement, Virgil, Dori, Scher, and Kiz Paws. Actually, Kratsayra (who's also shortly to complete the doctoral exams) and I already started up a little thread where we've been talking in vague ways about the process of getting a dissertation proposal up and walking. We'll probably resurrect it in awhile when we're both starting to write something. For now, the whole exam process has been so draining that I'm taking a much needed mental break and declaring the month of December a work free zone. In research work it's necessary to have some off time if you're going to come up with productive ideas, in fact the best ideas often come when you're not trying to think about coming up with one. Anyway, thanks again everyone, and now I have the free time to do a proper job of showing a leprechaun around Chicago.

    What does one do with a doctorate in literature? I'm curious because I still haven't the slightest clue of what I want to major in when I go to university.
    I'll be going into college teaching as a professor, which is what most people use a PhD in lit. for, though there are a few other rare possibilities such as work in an archival library. A doctorate is a huge commitment though. If you're thinking about what your undergraduate major is going to be, then it partly depends on your individual circumstances. I assume you're trying to decide between a degree in lit. and something more "practical." The question would be whether you are interested enough in literature and the work of reading, writing, and/or teaching to want to follow a career path in it. Teaching is, of course, the most common option for lit. majors. The major is also good for getting jobs in publishing: copy editing and other editorial positions, freelance writing for magazines and such, technical writing etc. And, of course, there are lots of lit. majors who take that as a major because it's a subject they love, and then go into one of the many jobs out there that's more interested in just seeing that you have college degree of some kind than what the specialization was. I have some lit. major friends who got hired into companies because they had the college degree, and the company also thought that the lit. major was a plus in that it indicated that they would be good at communicating effectively with customers and associates. The lit. major is also considered good preparation for law school, since it indicates an alacrity with words and language and the ability to create well structured arguments in your writing. The crazy among us also go on to do the PhD thing, but you've got to be really, really passionately mad about the subject and willing to sacrifice significant chunks of both your sanity and social life to contemplate that.

    So, those are a few of the options for lit. majors. I imagine your decision also depends upon whether there's an alternative major that is something you love just as much, or if it might lead to a career you'd like more than the options you have studying lit. You could always just do a double major or a minor in one subject too. Mostly though, I would say that, much as it's an important decision, don't feel like choosing a college major is so momentous a decision that it's pre-determining the rest of your life for you. You may have a variety of different careers ahead of you. Also, if you're just starting college, or have not yet started (it sounds like you're early in the process from your post), then you'll also have time once you get into your college classes to think things out and, as many college students do, change your major a few times before you settle on one. Spend your first year in college taking classes that really interest you and/or are introductory courses in the majors you're thinking of. Being in the coursework can really help you see whether this is a subject you'd like study more in depth. Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrarch's Love View Post
    Just passed my Doctoral Fields Exams today. A years preperation, and it all went by so fast! Now all I have to do is write the dissertation. Might help to come up with an idea for one first.
    Hey, that sounds great! Congratulations and good-luck for the later stages!

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    Just found out I've got an interview at oxford uni next week!!!!!!!!! I'm soooooooo scared!!! Not much of a boast really. But considering how worried I was abbout whether I'd get an interview or not, I just want everyone to know...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lioness_Heart View Post
    Just found out I've got an interview at oxford uni next week!!!!!!!!! I'm soooooooo scared!!! Not much of a boast really. But considering how worried I was abbout whether I'd get an interview or not, I just want everyone to know...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lioness_Heart View Post
    Just found out I've got an interview at oxford uni next week!!!!!!!!! I'm soooooooo scared!!! Not much of a boast really. But considering how worried I was abbout whether I'd get an interview or not, I just want everyone to know...
    wow, that's just too cool, Lioness. Just keep calm. I read in the Times that Oxbridge don't necessarily test your knowledge of facts but they ask you surprise questions to see how you react. err.. I realize this doesn't sound very comforting.. I have no experience of Oxford interviews but I applied for a scholarship from Germany's leading scholarship org. once (and got the scholarship). Just smile. If you can't answer a question straight away, tell them you'd like to think about it for a second. To many questions there is no straightforward answer, or there's more than one answer. So if they ask you a weird question, don't clam up, just do your best.
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    thank-you both!!!

    Sleepy, thanks for the advice. eek. i always get stuck on the 'have you got any questions' bit of interviews.

    And well done on getting the scholarship!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lioness_Heart View Post
    Just found out I've got an interview at oxford uni next week!!!!!!!!! I'm soooooooo scared!!! Not much of a boast really. But considering how worried I was abbout whether I'd get an interview or not, I just want everyone to know...
    congrats on getting the interview, and good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrarch's Love View Post
    I'll be going into college teaching as a professor, which is what most people use a PhD in lit. for, though there are a few other rare possibilities such as work in an archival library. A doctorate is a huge commitment though. If you're thinking about what your undergraduate major is going to be, then it partly depends on your individual circumstances. I assume you're trying to decide between a degree in lit. and something more "practical." The question would be whether you are interested enough in literature and the work of reading, writing, and/or teaching to want to follow a career path in it. Teaching is, of course, the most common option for lit. majors. The major is also good for getting jobs in publishing: copy editing and other editorial positions, freelance writing for magazines and such, technical writing etc. And, of course, there are lots of lit. majors who take that as a major because it's a subject they love, and then go into one of the many jobs out there that's more interested in just seeing that you have college degree of some kind than what the specialization was. I have some lit. major friends who got hired into companies because they had the college degree, and the company also thought that the lit. major was a plus in that it indicated that they would be good at communicating effectively with customers and associates. The lit. major is also considered good preparation for law school, since it indicates an alacrity with words and language and the ability to create well structured arguments in your writing. The crazy among us also go on to do the PhD thing, but you've got to be really, really passionately mad about the subject and willing to sacrifice significant chunks of both your sanity and social life to contemplate that.

    So, those are a few of the options for lit. majors. I imagine your decision also depends upon whether there's an alternative major that is something you love just as much, or if it might lead to a career you'd like more than the options you have studying lit. You could always just do a double major or a minor in one subject too. Mostly though, I would say that, much as it's an important decision, don't feel like choosing a college major is so momentous a decision that it's pre-determining the rest of your life for you. You may have a variety of different careers ahead of you. Also, if you're just starting college, or have not yet started (it sounds like you're early in the process from your post), then you'll also have time once you get into your college classes to think things out and, as many college students do, change your major a few times before you settle on one. Spend your first year in college taking classes that really interest you and/or are introductory courses in the majors you're thinking of. Being in the coursework can really help you see whether this is a subject you'd like study more in depth. Good luck!
    I'm a junior in high school, so I'm just thinking ahead. I've been contemplating going into either literature, language, or history. The most practical choice would probably be language, because I could then go into translation. I have a problem with teaching, which is why I want to avoid it as much as I can. The problem isn't really teaching, it's public speaking in general; I can't do it. I think I have narrowed my interests into a plan. I will go to college and take some language courses and after that I will start a translation service. Then, to satisfy my literature needs and to perhaps reinforce my knowledge of foreign languages, I will translate literature in my spare time . Perhaps I might do some freelance writing here and there, but most of my time would be devoted towards translation. This is at least a dream of mine.

    I haven't anything to boast at the moment. Also, I apologize for being a little off-topic.
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    Congratulations, Lioness_Heart, on the interview. Stay calm and put your best self forward -- we are rooting for you!

    And Dori, it is great that you have goals ... and before long, you will have attained them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lioness_Heart View Post
    thank-you both!!!

    Sleepy, thanks for the advice. eek. i always get stuck on the 'have you got any questions' bit of interviews.
    hm, I see. maybe you can find some help on the internet (for example the Times have a detailed Education supplement - www.timesonline.co.uk )
    or go through the univ's brochures and just ask about something that you already know anyway???


    And well done on getting the scholarship!
    yeah, well, that was like ages ago. I got a scholarship to do a year abroad in England in 2004/05.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrarch's Love View Post
    Just passed my Doctoral Fields Exams today. A years preperation, and it all went by so fast! Now all I have to do is write the dissertation. Might help to come up with an idea for one first.
    hey PL, congrats! (sorry it took me so long to congratulate you)!
    will you be teaching at college while you write on your PhD?
    you take the exams first before you write the dissertation? crazy Americans *joking*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lioness_Heart View Post
    Just found out I've got an interview at oxford uni next week!!!!!!!!! I'm soooooooo scared!!! Not much of a boast really. But considering how worried I was abbout whether I'd get an interview or not, I just want everyone to know...
    Good luck Lioness - I had an interview at Oxford many, many moons ago (I didn't get in!) and my advice to you would be, be prepared (I wasn't), be yourself (I wasn't), don't be nervous, and say what you think. I think what they are looking for is people who can think independently, show some spark, and the rest of it comes down to whether they like you or not, I'm afraid. Which college have you applied to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFifthElement View Post
    I think what they are looking for is people who can think independently, show some spark, and the rest of it comes down to whether they like you or not, I'm afraid.
    yep, showing some spark is always a good idea.

    don't be like "Ooooo, I have to answer these questions so I'll get accepted". Try to find them interesting in their own right and let your interest show (in your facial expressions, I mean). try to think of it as a quiz show or a sudoku or whatever, something that is a challenge but also fun.
    look at the person who asked you a question when you answer it, don't stare at your fingertips, the ceiling, the floor. Also look at those who didn't ask the question to make sure everyone's following you and feels included. (I'm not sure if this is how it's done in England.?)

    that's what I normally do in oral exams and it helps a lot. if they get the impression you're not interested in the topic/questions in their own right but are just there for the marks/scholarship/univ place they might get a bit grumpy.

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    Just felt like boasting about it a bit... We had our last day in college today, in honour of which a grand cultural program (organised by us students) was held- the first item of the program being a song written and tuned by me. Sung by me and another 3 friends (that includes ahsiam and gothic, by the way), with me on keyboard and another friend playing the guitar, it didnt go that bad (though was sounding a bit shaky during the bridge before the chorus). And i was pleased to know everyone enjoyed it and thought the last bit was presented particularly well. And guess what? That last bit was fully done by me and ahsiam!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dori
    I'm a junior in high school, so I'm just thinking ahead. I've been contemplating going into either literature, language, or history. The most practical choice would probably be language, because I could then go into translation. I have a problem with teaching, which is why I want to avoid it as much as I can. The problem isn't really teaching, it's public speaking in general; I can't do it. I think I have narrowed my interests into a plan. I will go to college and take some language courses and after that I will start a translation service. Then, to satisfy my literature needs and to perhaps reinforce my knowledge of foreign languages, I will translate literature in my spare time . Perhaps I might do some freelance writing here and there, but most of my time would be devoted towards translation. This is at least a dream of mine.
    Ah, it warms my heart to hear someone deciding between multiple Humanities majors. Most people are deciding whether to major in English or Business, with the implication that English is somehow more interesting but less important. Translation could be a wonderful career, and completely attainable. If it's your dream, then go for it. Incidently, you might be surprised at how easy it is to get over a fear of public speaking if you just jump in. You might enjoy taking a public speaking or an acting class in college to help you feel more comfortable in front of groups, since almost everyone has to make some sort of presentation in front of a group now and again.

    hey PL, congrats! (sorry it took me so long to congratulate you)!
    will you be teaching at college while you write on your PhD?
    you take the exams first before you write the dissertation? crazy Americans *joking*
    Thanks, Sleepy! Yes, these exams are to make sure that we've both got a comprehensive knowledge of our field and can discuss at the level a professor should be able to. It consists of reading three thematic lists covering over 100 works of literature and then being questioned about whatever comes to mind of the professors the day of the exams. After writing the dissertation we have the defense, which is like the post dissertation exam.

    I'll be doing pretty much the same kind of teaching I have been, meaning one or two courses per term but not a full load, and mostly course assistantships and writing classes. I may have a chance to teach a course I design myself sometime next year, which would be great, but that's still very tentative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lioness_Heart View Post
    Just found out I've got an interview at oxford uni next week!!!!!!!!! I'm soooooooo scared!!! Not much of a boast really. But considering how worried I was abbout whether I'd get an interview or not, I just want everyone to know...

    Good luck, Lioness Heart. That's very exciting. As others have said, come with some questions ready to show you're interested, even if they're things you already know about, and make sure you get plenty of sleep and plenty to eat so your nerves are minimized as much as possible.

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