Sons and Lovers

[Quark]

How funny, Quark, did you really underline them? haha You must have underlined a lot of stuff in "Lady Chatterly's Lover"....Which version did you read???...and if you have not yet, I can see you are heading out to the bookstore now to buy it....

I actually haven't read Lady Chatterly's lover. Is it really as lascivious as it's early twentieth century critics condemned it as being? I'm running a google seach for Lawrence+Lascivious now to see what I turn up.

So what do you think I am - a dirty old lady? Why of course, I liked the second half best. Afterall am a red-blooded American girl (or was a girl at one time)..., still 'red-blooded'!

Janine, you're insulting my Victorian sensibilities. You're female not sexual. You're not supposed to think about those things.

How old were you when you first read this book, Q ???....You were probably under your bed covers, living at home, with a flashlight and yellow highligher.

I finished reading it a few days ago, and, to be honest, I didn't get as much out of the second reading as I hoped. My conclusions are pretty much the same. It's certainly a good read, but I didn't gain much by the rereading.

[Janine]

I actually haven't read Lady Chatterly's lover. Is it really as lascivious as it's early twentieth century critics condemned it as being? I'm running a google seach for Lawrence+Lascivious now to see what I turn up.

Come up with anything yet???? I really can't believe you have not read LCL - oh for goodness sake - first go out and buy a whole box of those yellow highlighters! Then be sure and buy the uncensored addition of the novel. There are several versions. I think I read the one that needed the box of highlighters!

Janine, you're insulting my Victorian sensibilities. You're female not sexual. You're not supposed to think about those things.

Are you a 'male chauvinist pig'? Victorian sensibilities, my eye! I went to art college in the hippie era, baby! I might be 'older', but as long as I am still breathing, I can still be lusting and I can still use those bright yellow highlighters in my books! I even watch R-rated films...and I fast-forward a lot.....

I finished reading it a few days ago, and, to be honest, I didn't get as much out of the second reading as I hoped. My conclusions are pretty much the same. It's certainly a good read, but I didn't gain much by the rereading.

You know, seriously, I am seeing things I did not notice before. I think I am enjoying the book the same this time, if not better. I think, after reading several L bios, it makes a whole lot more sense to me and interests me more. Problem is during this read, I am definitely trying to figure out the characters and I am not wholly sure they can be figured out; just like figuring out L himself. He remains an enigma to me, in many respects, but I still love his work and admire his accomplishments. This novel is a young Lawrence work, one has to remember that, too.

[Quark]

Come up with anything yet????

I did come up with this quote, "Lascivious! well, why not---? I can't see I do a woman any more harm by sleeping with her than by dancing with her...or even talking to her about the weather. It's just an interchange of sensations instead of ideas, so why not?". I think I can see where the novel goes from there.

I really can't believe you have not read LCL - oh for goodness sake

Prepare to be shocked: I have only read Sons and Lovers and The Rainbow. My list of Lawrence reads isn't so impressive. I'll probably read Women in Love before I read LCL.

You know, seriously, I am seeing things I did not notice before. I think I am enjoying the book the same this time, if not better. I think, after reading several L bios, it makes a whole lot more sense to me and interests me more. Problem is during this read, I am definitely trying to figure out the characters and I am not wholly sure they can be figured out; just like figuring out L himself. He remains an enigma to me, in many respects, but I still love his work and admire his accomplishments. This novel is a young Lawrence work, one has to remember that, too.

Yes, there are things that I did take away in the second reading. I didn't mean that it was a total waste of time. As I talked about earlier, my reading of the novel changed a lot when I considered Paul's life in the context of his older brother's downfall. Previously, I had thought that Paul was somewhat content at the end. After I finished it this time, Paul's failure to make any lasting relationships with anyone else seems much more tragic than any professional success or personal identity he might have gained at the end.

[Janine]

I did come up with this quote, "Lascivious! well, why not---? I can't see I do a woman any more harm by sleeping with her than by dancing with her...or even talking to her about the weather. It's just an interchange of sensations instead of ideas, so why not?". I think I can see where the novel goes from there.

Well, Q, I am winding down now..... . . . . . . . . . .coffee must be wearing off..... . . . . . . . . . .

Was that a direct quote from LCL or did you make it up? Either way quite creative! I like that word "Lascivious!" so expressive, isn't it? Sounds like an Lawrence type word....rolls right off the tongue nicely.....poetic....
I just got a brainstorm. You know the way you list your favorite authors, in your 'Profile' page? You now need to add...", and Lawrence for his lascivious prose".

Prepare to be shocked: I have only read Sons and Lovers and The Rainbow. My list of Lawrence reads isn't so impressive. I'll probably read Women in Love before I read LCL.

Yes, truly, I am 'shocked', with statements like the last one you made about this brilliant novel, S&L's - truly 'frivolous'....

But seriously, I would have to agree with you and say - first read "Women in Love". This is actually my favorite L novel. I read this one twice, as you can see I put an * next to it in my list. Hey, Quark, were you impressed with my reading list? I know...I did have a lot more years to read that much more L, than you would have yet. I am not really shocked, I was just kidding with you.... Afterall, when did you start reading - age 2? You are still a young pup; no doubt with your mind on going out til 2, drinking beer with your friends, chasing girls, --- then coming home to check to see who is on 'late night' Lit Net, and those that obviously do not have a 'real life'.

Yes, there are things that I did take away in the second reading. I didn't mean that it was a total waste of time. As I talked about earlier, my reading of the novel changed a lot when I considered Paul's life in the context of his older brother's downfall. Previously, I had thought that Paul was somewhat content at the end. After I finished it this time, Paul's failure to make any lasting relationships with anyone else seems much more tragic than any professional success or personal identity he might have gained at the end.

Whewwww...well, that is good to hear....I was losing hope in you..for awhile there.....Hope restored! Yeah!

Good observations and I would have to agree....the book is really tragic.

[amalia1985]

amalia, I am truly impressed with this reading list of yours - and at your age....wonderful! I think you have plenty of time to catch up and read more L. or all of L's works.

Thank you, and Virgil. My parents taught me to read from a tender age, and my constant problem is that I have no space to put the books I buy...

[Virgil]

Thank you, and Virgil. My parents taught me to read from a tender age, and my constant problem is that I have no space to put the books I buy...

Oh that is my problem too. I have a room that is considered my study and it is overflowing with books. And I still have put lots in plastic containers in the basement. I can't bare to throw any out.

[Janine]

Virgil and amalia, I third this! I have books everywhere, and now just picked up another free one at my library - it's an obsession and I love it! My room is hopeless and I keep tripping over them - sitting on the floors now. I recently tried taking some to the basement, but put them into small boxes only - about 10 at a time, and labeled the top of each, and I will probably put all these in a larger plastic one, so I can easily locate any book if I need it. I hate putting books away, because then later, I can't find them at all...like some of the L books, I am thinking I did read, but can't find presently - "Virgin and the Gypsy" for one.

Virgil, I looked at the short story online and read one page; thanks for posting that site! I know that it our other thread, but it seems quite interesting so far. I might stop S&L tonight, to squeeze in the story "Sun".

[Virgil]

Who is D.H. Lawrence?

[Janine]

Whoops! I'll change that ekkkk hxzzzx#zz%@"+haha .....oh .....s..o...r...r....y....

I must have been snoozing. I had you mixed up with some cute looking movie star named that!

[Virgil]

Whoops! I'll change that ekkkk hxzzzx#zz%@"+haha .....oh .....s..o...r...r....y....

I must have been snoozing. I had you mixed up with some cute looking movie star named that!

Thanks.

[Janine]

Thanks.

You are welcome - aren't you going to change yours too?????

[Virgil]

You are welcome - aren't you going to change yours too?????

OK. Just did.

[Janine]

Who is D.H. Lawrence?

I don't have the foggiest idea

[Virgil]

Oh I forgot one thing - important thing, too.
I read:

Virgil's Thesis:
*Toward the Transfiguration: An Examination of the Use of the Transfigurative Experience in D. H. Lawrence’s Late Fiction.

*Definitely that has to be added to my reading list! A very worthwhile and helpful read!!!

Oh you are so kind Janine. Thank you.

Janine and Quark - You guys were a riot last night.

[grace86]

janine and Quark you guys have me rolling with laughter. How terrible you both are!!! I only wish I was able to participate in this reading.

Man, you guys will rule the thread for Lady Chatterly in the winter!!!! Virgil I think we better watch out and just keep ourselves with Quixote...these two could get dangerous and ruin our poor minds

Quark do read Women in Love, I have to admit it isn't as umm....interesting as Sons and Lovers appears it must be, but you will like it I am sure.