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    Quote Originally Posted by stella View Post
    well then to broaden your understanding is enough for me.....
    so as to why we dont have other Dantes & Dostoevskys you have to blame technology ...
    you have to have good plots that depend sometimes on a late letter delivery (which is impossible when you have phones & e-mails) also you cant write a story about an abusive father when we have all these human rights establishments .those people had something they fought for in their writings we dont have that anymore because simply everything is allowed (mostly)

    also dont forget the time factor noone really has a full year or more to spend in writing a novel most people choose a career over writing supposing they have talent
    also the type of audiance changed......
    Yes when we talk about realities, we have different ones. During the Victorian era, there was a very big rift indeed between the poor and the rich.That was substantiated by Dickensian novels. Now this gap is still there but not to that extent. Realities have shifted tremendously. But now we have other kinds of realities. They are more complex. Alienation, identy crisis, rootlessness, sexual abuse, more mechanization of life.

    Yet novels are written at times fictionally and imaginatively. Some writers for the time to come, and others about the past. There is lot of flexibilities.

    “Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””

    “If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stella View Post
    well then to broaden your understanding is enough for me.....
    so as to why we dont have other Dantes & Dostoevskys you have to blame technology ...
    you have to have good plots that depend sometimes on a late letter delivery (which is impossible when you have phones & e-mails) also you cant write a story about an abusive father when we have all these human rights establishments .those people had something they fought for in their writings we dont have that anymore because simply everything is allowed (mostly)

    also dont forget the time factor noone really has a full year or more to spend in writing a novel most people choose a career over writing supposing they have talent
    also the type of audiance changed......
    Time has changed indeed, yet there certain of human domains that remain the same. Human sentiments, love, emotion, anger are not different. Patterns behaviors on the surface may have been different, deep down there are certian things that remain always unchanged.

    “Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””

    “If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.

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    speaking of the unconscious

    We all know in point of fact our minds have diffeent layers and Freud did the marvelous job indeed and he was the first one, maybe there others previous to him, to analyze human minds and their different layers so profoundly and scientifically.

    In fact literature must be inspired by what is within, something lying ultold for a variety of reasons, like taboos and moral censorships in a particular social setting. Mostly all we do is we screen and filter all that wells up within the mind and things can not come spontaneously. You may love someone secretly and which is biologically justifiable and religiously or culturally tabooed. That desire lays seated there indefinitely.

    A writer if he is bold enough must express something like that. A man may have , any morally right or so called men of dignity and disciplines may have something gin hiding, some urged pushed down.

    Therefore writing must be frank and open.

    There were many writers who emboldened themselves to express things that I said yet few could do fully and daringly.

    “Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””

    “If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.

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    The joy of living

    Life is really joyful. It is exciting to live for there are really good moments in life. There are some pessimists who may oppose this view but overall life is really full of vitality and joyousness. Sorrows creep in and problems crop up, but clouds of sorrows and problems subside and again life will be something to rejoice in.

    In fact there are things, many things to do in life that keeps us busy and in fact getting busy is itself a matter of liveliness for when we work hard we will be at one with work. When we dance to the tone of a sweet melody we will be so much immersed in the music and dance we will forget our existence and ultimately there will be no duality.

    Life, despite many problems befall on it and there are many cold winters there , yet everything has a limit and the cycle of seasons move all the time and brings in days of springs and great fulfillment.

    “Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””

    “If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blazeofglory View Post
    Life, despite many problems befall on it and there are many cold winters there , yet everything has a limit and the cycle of seasons move all the time and brings in days of springs and great fulfillment.
    here's a question : why Winter is considered a miserable time ? i love everything about it walking in the rain is one of my favourite activities ...why???
    and i said maybe oneday...

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    To be perfectly honest blazeofglory, I am not completely satisfied with your philosophizing. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but I feel like you say and write as you wished you thought and felt as opposed to what you really do think and feel. Granted, I am not Nepalise and perhaps don't comprehend fully your mode of understanding, being a westerner. I can tell you this, I have known many sincere artists and brilliant minds in my day and their words ring true when they speak/write them. Force. Your words lack force my friend and force cannot be feigned. Force flows naturally from truth.

    You are a smart person with exciting thoughts, perhaps you are experimenting. But what you say does not convince me that you are who you say you are. Only being who you say you are can make you sound thus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adampearson View Post
    To be perfectly honest blazeofglory, I am not completely satisfied with your philosophizing. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but I feel like you say and write as you wished you thought and felt as opposed to what you really do think and feel. Granted, I am not Nepalise and perhaps don't comprehend fully your mode of understanding, being a westerner. I can tell you this, I have known many sincere artists and brilliant minds in my day and their words ring true when they speak/write them. Force. Your words lack force my friend and force cannot be feigned. Force flows naturally from truth.

    You are a smart person with exciting thoughts, perhaps you are experimenting. But what you say does not convince me that you are who you say you are. Only being who you say you are can make you sound thus.
    In fact everyone is at liberty to agree or not to agree. Of course you are one of them. Ideas differ from person to person and that is what we call individuality. Otherwose there will be no individuality or variety.

    Besides, everyone has a different point of view. You are grown up in a particular setting and I am in a different one. Meanwhile just by being a westerner it is not necessary that you are intellectually superior. Now knowledge is open to all no matter where one resides.

    Regarding nature art everyone has a different opinion and maybe your sources of knowledge is different from mine and your ideal could be something mine would be something else. moreover, my posts are not meant to satisfy you, and no I did not post just to satisfy but to see your views and comments.

    I am not sad at the fact that you are not satisfied. That indeed enabled me to to see things differently and of course your perspectives broadened my mind.
    I take your idea positively even if I may disagree with you on several points.

    “Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””

    “If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.

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    Damn with Identity?

    Friends, I am sad at the fact that we live with many identities, and indeed I am dreaming of a day man lives without any labels, brands or identities. Is not it enough to be a humane human, living mannishly, clean of all veneers. Uncloak yourself all you will find yourself is you, the you that is pure, clean and unblemished. How it is like living with a universal relationship, and wherever you go your mannishness matters and any other label you have will appear unimportant and gibberish.

    There are thousands of labels. You are respected just because you come from a developed country and I from a very undeveloped one. You are a black and I am a white.

    Why you want to identify yourselves with particular labels? Why your religions come foremost? Do they mirror your inner beauties? Do they reflect your bigheartedness?

    Are you just great because you are general manager, and the other a sweeper? Everyone collectively forms a community and indeed has something equitable to contribute? Why should your egos must crop in to label yourselves as superior with your corporate ranks and those who lack them as your juniors? These are bunks.

    Un-tag yourselves and see you as yourselves in relationship, indeed not in your national, religious, corporate relationship, but in your universal relationship with one and all.

    Today suddenly I had this feeling when I woke up and meditated for a while. I am not a Guru or any label you may give, and indeed this is not arrogance. It just cropped up and I felt like sharing?

    Am I wrong?

    “Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””

    “If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.

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    you're not wrong; but there's this innate attraction to a feeling of belonging in man. And the concept of identity(s) helps us cope with that. I do agree that such identities are truly meaningless and just hinder what a person truly is, but I personally take comfort in my identity, even though my identity is being attacked nowadays because of reasons beyond my control. That's not right either, that I have to succumb to resigning to my own self and patiently bear the arrows flung at me...I really don't know, both sides are equally bad and good-- being without an identity and with one seems to be the same, I guess.
    i don't of this makes sense to you, or anyone, because I myself don't understand this confusion within myself, let alone others.
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    Why fight in the name of religions or Gods? What do your gods and religions give you ultimately? We are simply human beings nothing else? Is it not enough to live like a moral and considerate human being? Why this bunk identity. Damn all identities. And all that remains of you is humanities.
    I got this from the Jews thread...wow! I totally agree with this, but there's a part of me that foolishly adopts identities for the sake of relating my human-ness to others...I don't know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazefest456 View Post
    you're not wrong; but there's this innate attraction to a feeling of belonging in man. And the concept of identity(s) helps us cope with that. I do agree that such identities are truly meaningless and just hinder what a person truly is, but I personally take comfort in my identity, even though my identity is being attacked nowadays because of reasons beyond my control. That's not right either, that I have to succumb to resigning to my own self and patiently bear the arrows flung at me...I really don't know, both sides are equally bad and good-- being without an identity and with one seems to be the same, I guess.
    i don't of this makes sense to you, or anyone, because I myself don't understand this confusion within myself, let alone others.
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    I got this from the Jews thread...wow! I totally agree with this, but there's a part of me that foolishly adopts identities for the sake of relating my human-ness to others...I don't know?
    There are of course elements of truth in your understanding of it and certainly as long as there is purity of heart identity is not something despisable, indeed it becomes a virtue the way understood it, but generally it is not taken that way and now see there ar violences in the name of identity.

    “Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””

    “If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.

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    yup, violence in the name of identity is evident right now...
    I hate that! oh well, the world can't change by my whining...

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    I can change it c456...lol... This is an awesome thread, and I don't know why it took me so long to find it... You guys are going to like some things I'm writing in my blog...I come from a line of people that are storytellers, and singers...really we call them entertainers... and it is so cool to be able to share knowledge through stories. I have to share through music, but writing is working wonders, and I can do many things...c456 (I will address this and read the rest of the posts later). I have to find an audience for people to come together...oh wait, that is lit-net..ok later. B
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    I really liked reading your point of view towards story telling. Nice read!

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