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    Sorry Shurtugal, I am not exactly sure what you mean over here. Perhaps you mean that if you are satisfied with it, with the fact that you were spanked then those who were not, shouldn't comment then let me tell you that there was a time when wives were beaten, and in some cases wives were okay with it too. It doesn't mean people shouldn't have stood up against that.
    no, i was asking that could we have proof from people who were spanked that it did do something to them. and that they had nothing else done to them other then spanking and it had to be from that person, not from anyone else. under stand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pensive View Post

    Even children who are spanked talk in this way to their parents and those who are not, don't. What does this tell?
    That the said children do not respect their parents. For example, if every time you insulted your parent he/she slapped you. Would you do it again?


    Quote Originally Posted by Pensive View Post

    Learn what? Learn along with other things that using violence is the right way if your opponent is being stupid and is weaker than you.

    Lear that they cannot be disrespectful and should mind their parents. That (as Basic Principle of Society this): There are rules and if they break them, they WILL BE PUNISHED.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pensive View Post

    If small children do not listen, then do you think they can listen to a stick?
    See above quote. Spanking helps an understanding of wrong and right.


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    no, i was asking that could we have proof from people who were spanked that it did do something to them. and that they had nothing else done to them other then spanking and it had to be from that person, not from anyone else. under stand?

    Exactly: my dad beat me up with a fishing pole made of fiberglass; it didn't do nothing to me. Threw a shoe at my face and broke my lip: nothing happened.

    And these are examples of EXTREME VIOLENCE: You need to seriously torture a child to do any lasting harm. You know: HIT him/her too hard or psychological violence.


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    [/QUOTE]
    Hmmm I don't see any logic behind this that how can a person not disapprove of something that's not right until or unless she/he has experienced it herself/himself.
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    im sorry forgive me if i am rude here as i have no tolerance for people who cant grasp simple concepts...

    okay.

    if you get stepped on by a horse you know that it hurts bad, and then u go tell someone who had never been stepped on and they will assume theyu know exactly...that is what yall are doing...

    im saying that if you where never spanked, then you dont kow if its abuse.

    yes hitting your child becuase you can is wrong. let us stop with that argument
    yes beating your chid is wrong let us drop that one

    no, a smack on the bottom is not wrong when it is done for correction of something that they know is wrong!

    i personaly know that it helped me become who i am today, otherwise i would have never learned that running in the middle of the street was bad...and other potentioaly dangerous things, in those circumstances a smack on the butt can teach a child that the road is bad.

    now back to the if uve nver been there u dont know

    mmkay pre-civil war

    u go to a plantation, your against slavery, you assume they are abused and hurt, yet the slaves would tell might tell you that there owner was fair...

    its like spanking,
    some parents abuse there kids by hitting them,
    some parents spank there kids
    yet you automaticly assme there the same becuase you havent been with that persons family you dont know what they did to deserve that spanking, if they put there life in danger, or anything like that you just judge...

    and i feel the only person who has the right to judge is god, if spanking was so bad god would condone it, but he doesnt! he does condone talking and disrespecting your parents, and a swift smack on the butt will help solve that, therforth helping a child learn the ten commandments and learn to respect thre parents rules and gods rules...so go ahead condone spanking, condone god...and when the world falls apart even more, and yout pregnacy, drug use,crime ,rape and murder all go up, understand that it could have been prevented and the blame lays strictly on those who wouldnt dicipline there kids.


    thank way back to the horse and wagon days, everyone spanked there kids and you never heard of rape, or mmurder, everyone was kinda and respectufull...

    1900's early, kids respected parents, and crime was still realy low..kids got spanked

    2000's kids dont get spanked anymore becaue everyone wants to scream abuse,,,crime is up, kids yell at parntes and hav eno respect for themselfs or others.

    notice something, when you take spanking out of the equation and the ability to dicipline out of the picture...crime goes up..

    so stop diciping children and hand them over to satan, be my guest, but my children will be respectfull with morals and values and i guarntee you they wont be pregnet, they wont drop out, and they will be verry sucsessfull people and i do plan on taking my hand to there bottom when they screw up! but at the same time my child wont be involced in drugs,gangs,or crime...

    so think about what ive said and think about what you want your children to be into ,and if you want them to be respectufll to others and themselfs..teach them morals and dicipline, or hand them to satan and say goodbye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakiryu View Post
    That the said children do not respect their parents. For example, if every time you insulted your parent he/she slapped you. Would you do it again?
    Yes, if a child has been slapped by his parents for having done something bad, it's not necessary he would stop. If that was so, you people shouldn't have had received a second smack.

    Lear that they cannot be disrespectful and should mind their parents. That (as Basic Principle of Society this): There are rules and if they break them, they WILL BE PUNISHED.
    Yes, they shouldn't be disrespectful towards those who deserve that respect (and in most of the cases, parents certainly do) and as for the basic principles of societies, wouldn't like to argue about it over here because they have been changing and they differ from place to place.

    But if they are rules, and they break them, can't they be punished in another way? Does this have to be the way which makes violence look a kind of acceptable?

    See above quote. Spanking helps an understanding of wrong and right.
    There are other better ways.

    Exactly: my dad beat me up with a fishing pole made of fiberglass; it didn't do nothing to me. Threw a shoe at my face and broke my lip: nothing happened.
    If it did 'nothing' to you then what good was it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shurtugal
    no, i was asking that could we have proof from people who were spanked that it did do something to them. and that they had nothing else done to them other then spanking and it had to be from that person, not from anyone else. under stand?
    And these are examples of EXTREME VIOLENCE: You need to seriously torture a child to do any lasting harm. You know: HIT him/her too hard or psychological violence.
    EVEN If it doesn't do any everlasting harm (though I disagree because this thing can lead to a child believing dealing with those who disagree with him with physical torture is fine and I believe it's quite harmful) does this mean transitory physical torture is fine? You seem to be suggesting so.


    Spanking only bruises your ego (and maybe your arsch)
    It can do much more.
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    Pensive, a question: Have you ever been spanked?
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    [/QUOTE]
    im saying that if you where never spanked, then you dont kow if its abuse.
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    Some people are abused and don't realize that they are being abused. They deny that they are being abused. The victim sympathize with their abuser. This is what I am hearing from some people who are making excuses for their parents for spanking them.
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    im saying that if you where never spanked, then you dont kow if its abuse.
    [/QUOTE]

    Some people are abused and don't realize that they are being abused. They deny that they are being abused. The victim sympathize with their abuser. This is what I am hearing from some people who are making excuses for their parents for spanking them.[/QUOTE]

    I'm not making excuses for my parents thought: I DO KNOW: that my fathers is a psycho.
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    oy!!! ok, let me make this clear there is a BIG difference from BEATING a child AND SPANKING a child. so lets keep to ONE SUBJECT, NOT BOTH. (did that so no one can say they didn't see that) we all know that BEATING IS WRONG. no question about it. can we at least AGREE with that. but our debation is wether or not SPANKING a child is WRONG and WHY?
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    this is my one and only contibution to this thread. It is an encyclopedia definition of Spanking
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    Spanking, by today's definition, consists of striking the buttocks, usually as a physical punishment, with either an open hand or various implements including a cane, a belt or strap, various types of whips such as the martinet and the tawse, a switch or other form of rod, a paddle, some curious devices such as the electric so-called spanker and trickster paddling machines, or various household objects designed for other purposes, such as a slipper, a wooden spoon, a bath brush, a wooden ruler or a hairbrush.

    In the United States and Canada, all discipline applied to the posterior is usually known as spanking. In Britain and many Commonwealth countries is smacking or whacking used as the general term; with spanking usually referring to bare-handed discipline (as opposed to implement-specific forms of padd spanking such as ling, caning, birching and slippering).

    There are many alternative terms, often linked with an implement (such as belting, caning, whipping), but also sometimes used more generally (such as thrashing, dressing-down (though this often refers to the lecture that precedes the actual spanking and perhaps refers to the undressing of the buttocks that often occurs during the lecture) , whacking.....
    rest of article found on following page
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanking
    I've highlighted in italics the alternative terms used for the word spanking and the alternative objects used other than the hand. And a lot of these would hurt, leave bruises, welts and cuts, both external, and i'm sure, internal scaring. These are forms of spanking that have been used not only by Parents but teachers or schools in the past. The trama left by such experiences is way corporal punishment has been banned in most countries, and that includes spanking in any form by parents.
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    I can't believe anyone would hit a child with some of the things listed here. When I say I believe that in some cases for some children a spanking is a proper form of displine, I am referring to swatting on the bottom with an open hand. And that is for very serious infractions of acceptable behavior. No one advocates abusing a child that I know of, and if I did know, I would report them to the authorities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granny5 View Post
    I can't believe anyone would hit a child with some of the things listed here. When I say I believe that in some cases for some children a spanking is a proper form of displine, I am referring to swatting on the bottom with an open hand. And that is for very serious infractions of acceptable behavior. No one advocates abusing a child that I know of, and if I did know, I would report them to the authorities.
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    this has turned into a discussion about discipline but I want to change course a bit. In the original post it said this:

    HE ASKED ME A RHETORICAL QUESTION, "WHY DIDN'T WE HAVE A DRUG PROBLEM WHEN YOU AND I WERE GROWING UP?"

    I just don't understand this statement/question.

    This is stupid because mankind has always been on drugs. Granted, this meth lab business has me completely baffled because I don't know why anyone would want to mix up and heat a bunch of household chemicals and sudafed and then inject/snort/ingest. I just don't get it.

    And I think I got this in an email before from one of my all-american co-workers who likes to send these types of emails around. She sends prayer chains, petitions to Congress about how we're losing our country (I won't say anymore here), and those good luck friendship emails with sick little pictures of kittens and rainbows that flash and if I don't send it on to 10 people I will have five years of bad luck.
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    I think there was always a drug problem in the US. You see old newsreels about Robert Mitchum being arrested for pot way back in the 40's...and opuim dens were everywhere in the big citys back in the 1800's. Laudnum, an opiumm elixir, was commonly abused by women in the 17th and 18th centuries. But in small town America drug abuse was mostly unheard of or maybe folks just didn't talk about it. The only "drug" problem I remember from when I was very young (10-13 years old) was a young man in my small town who was committed to the State Mental Hospital for sniffing model glue. That was big news in town. Not until the late 60's, during the Vietman war, did I hear about pot or anything else. I think it was around, I just don't think it had made it's way to the rural, small towns of the US. I think a lot of the growth was brought home by returning Vietman Vets who had sampled it over there.
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    [QUOTE=Pensive;432129]Yes, if a child has been slapped by his parents for having done something bad, it's not necessary he would stop. If that was so, you people shouldn't have had received a second smack.

    then how do you get that he shouldnt get a second spanking(a slap in the face should be verry rare i only had that done once and i regret what i told my mother to do) but otherwie you telling the kid he can do whatever he wantes...

    Yes, they shouldn't be disrespectful towards those who deserve that respect (and in most of the cases, parents certainly do) and as for the basic principles of societies, wouldn't like to argue about it over here because they have been changing and they differ from place to place.

    But if they are rules, and they break them, can't they be punished in another way? Does this have to be the way which makes violence look a kind of acceptable?



    EVEN If it doesn't do any everlasting harm (though I disagree because this thing can lead to a child believing dealing with those who disagree with him with physical torture is fine and I believe it's quite harmful) does this mean transitory physical torture is fine? You seem to be suggesting so.

    no it leadds to a respectfull kid, and when hes dealing with others he will remeber to respect there veiws, nd its not so much if they disagree. me and my parents disagree all the time but we discuss it and nothing is done about it so long as im respectfull. ..do not put words in my mouth, its very distatesfull...any torture is wrong, but a swat on the butt, is not torture...torture is is being grounded from the phone and internet that is torture, but a swat on the but is nothing.



    pensive, where you spanked as a child...not abused but spanked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephofthenight View Post
    then how do you get that he shouldnt get a second spanking(a slap in the face should be verry rare i only had that done once and i regret what i told my mother to do) but otherwie you telling the kid he can do whatever he wantes...
    You mentioned yourself about how productive it is and Bakiryu also that when she was first hit by her teacher, from that time she started to respect every teacher. If it was so good for you, then why did your parents feel the need to spank you again for the second time? It doesn't appear like you were spanked once or twice only.

    no it leadds to a respectfull kid, and when hes dealing with others he will remeber to respect there veiws, nd its not so much if they disagree. me and my parents disagree all the time but we discuss it and nothing is done about it so long as im respectfull. ..do not put words in my mouth, its very distatesfull...any torture is wrong, but a swat on the butt, is not torture...torture is is being grounded from the phone and internet that is torture, but a swat on the but is nothing.

    Yeah and when others would do something annoying, he would start smacking them too?


    pensive, where you spanked as a child...not abused but spanked?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bakiryu
    Pensive, a question: Have you ever been spanked?
    I don't think it's very necessary to answer this. I don't have to be spanked or un-spanked to express my disapproval of this method for bringing up a child.
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