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    ...to understand the span of American literature one must understand all the supports that built the bridge.

    I'm sorry, but I don't agree. Or perhaps I should say that if my goal was to gain an encyclopedic grasp of American literature I should certainly read it all: the good, the bad, and the ugly. Then I would still ask why you stopped with suggestions that the reader only add to the usual canon with the works of African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Native-Americans, and women. What of the literary contributions of French-Acadian-Americans, Jewish-Americans, Islamic and Middle-Eastern-Americans, Buddhist-Americans, Amish and Mennonite-Americans, etc... etc... ad infinitum?

    Now, of course, it appears that the question being raised here is that of the very purpose of literature. Why do we read literature? If your goal is to broaden your historical outlook, certainly you may imagine that you can achieve that through literature. But then again I have read Thucydides, and Gibbon's Fall of the Roman Empire, and Vasari's Lives of the Artists, and Boswell's Life of Johnson, and War and Peace and Les Miserables and Shakespeare's "histories", etc... all of which purport to tell a great deal about some aspect of history... yet while their narratives are surely marvelously told, one would do well to check elsewhere for the facts. Personally, I am not interested in reading literature as a means of gaining historical knowledge (I'll read history books for that) nor is my agenda sociological... I am not out to gain insights into issues of racism, sexism, social and class structures, economics, gender preferences, etc...

    I am not suggesting that I or anyone else can or should read in a vacuum. Certainly I have have read more than my share of history. Neither am I without experience with regard to socio-political concerns. As someone who has taught for years in an urban public school setting I probably know more about certain social/political/economic issues than you can imagine. But we are discussing literature... the book or writing as ART. As a practicing artist (albeit in the visual arts) I have always bristled at any suggestion of using art for utilitarian purposes of any manner. I am not speaking here of limiting the artist. Certainly an artist may deal with any social, political, economic, religious, spiritual (etc...) issue that they so desire. What I am speaking of is the "use" (and who likes to be "used"?) of art by certain members of academia as a means of pushing non-literary concerns. If one wishes to teach sociology, Marxist theory, economics, etc... then one should surely do so. Often, however, it seems as if literature and literary criticism are being taught by those who are far more passionate about politics and social issues than they are about writing as an art.

    Why then do I read? To me reading is one way of engaging in a dialog with extraordinary minds from many times and many places. As Anna Quindlen suggested:

    Books are the means to immortality:
    ... Through them we experience other times, other places, other lives. We manage to become much more than our own selves. The only dead are those who grow sere and shriveled within, unable to step outside their own lives and into those of others. Ignorance is death. A closed mind is a catafalque.


    More than once I have posted the following rather extended quote as an answer to the question of the purpose of literaure. Because I doubt that I could put it better myself, I'll post it again. The Quote is by Walter Pater from his "Conclusion" to The Renaissance. The highlights are my own:

    The service of philosophy, of speculative culture, towards the human spirit, is to rouse, to startle it to a life of constant and eager observation. Every moment some form grows perfect in hand or face; some tone on the hills or the sea is choicer than the rest; some mood of passion or insight or intellectual excitement is irresistibly real and attractive to us,–for that moment only. Not the fruit of experience, but experience itself, is the end. A counted number of pulses only is given to us of a variegated, dramatic life. How may we see in them all that is to seen in them by the finest senses? How shall we pass most swiftly from point to point, and be present always at the focus where the greatest number of vital forces unite in their purest energy?

    To burn always with this hard, gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life. In a sense it might even be said that our failure is to form habits... While all melts under our feet, we may well grasp at any exquisite passion, or any contribution to knowledge that seems by a lifted horizon to set the spirit free for a moment, or any stirring of the senses, strange dyes, strange colours, and curious odours, or work of the artist’s hands, or the face of one’s friend. Not to discriminate every moment some passionate attitude in those about us, and in the very brilliancy of their gifts some tragic dividing of forces on their ways, is, on this short day of frost and sun, to sleep before evening. With this sense of the splendour of our experience and of its awful brevity, gathering all we are into one desperate effort to see and touch, we shall hardly have time to make theories about the things we see and touch. What we have to do is to be for ever curiously testing new opinions and courting new impressions, never acquiescing in a facile orthodoxy of Comte, or of Hegel, or of our own...

    One of the most beautiful passages of Rousseau is that in the sixth book of the Confessions, where he describes the awakening in him of the literary sense. An undefinable taint of death had clung always about him, and now in early manhood he believed himself smitten by mortal disease. He asked himself how he might make as much as possible of the interval that remained; and he was not biased by anything in his previous life when he decided that it must be by intellectual excitement, which he found just then in the clear, fresh writings of Voltaire. Well! we are all condamnes, as Victor Hugo says: we are all under sentence of death but with a sort of indefinite reprieveles hommes sont tous condamnes a mort avec des sursis indefinis: we have an interval, and then our place knows us no more. Some spend this interval in listlessness, some in high passions, the wisest, at least among "the children of this world,” in art and song. For our one chance lies in expanding that interval, in getting as many pulsations as possible into the given time. Great passions may give us this quickened sense of life, ecstasy and sorrow of love, the various forms of enthusiastic activity, disinterested or otherwise, which come naturally to many of us. Only be sure it is passion–that it does yield you this fruit of a quickened, multiplied consciousness. Of such wisdom, the poetic passion, the desire of beauty, the love of art for its own sake, has most. For art comes to you proposing frankly to give nothing but the highest quality to your moments as they pass, and simply for those moments’ sake.
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    I totally agree with stlukesguild that the “Dead White Guys” have kind of flooded the quality artistic fiction market, at least in the old days, not that this doesn’t obviously have more to do with oppression and social pressure than merit, but there you have it.

    I don't question the fact that social inequalities have had a major impact upon who achieves or does not achieve something of great importance in ART. Surely there would have been far more women who achieved something of import in art and music and literature had they been afforded an equal education and equal opportunity. However, such was not the reality. The world is not democratic or egalitarian and art is not democratic or egalitarian... it is absolutely elitist. The strongest art survives (and not even all of that). Its interesting that while white writers dominated America's literary achievements, America's greatest contribution to music, jazz, was clearly dominated by African-American artists. Again, the strongest survive. For every Benny Goodman, Lennie Tristano, Dave Brubeck, or Lee Konitz we have Miles Davis, John Coletrane, Louis Armstrong, Count Basie, Duke Ellington, Thelonious Monk, Charlie Parker, Charles Mingus, and twenty others.
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    Well you should try George Orwell's books... Its really great especially the animal farm..
    Although It's like a fable, you should read between the lines to decode the real message of the writer!

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    Isn't Orwell English?

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    By the way... Jamesian, I can't believe that you didn't point out that I forgot Henry James!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesian View Post
    Isn't Orwell English?
    Yep...as in British...eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stlukesguild View Post
    By the way... Jamesian, I can't believe that you didn't point out that I forgot Henry James!
    Well, I suppose I would be pretty useless around here if someone else was doing it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by stlukesguild View Post
    Why then do I read? To me reading is one way of engaging in a dialog with extraordinary minds from many times and many places. As Anna Quindlen suggested:

    Books are the means to immortality:
    ... Through them we experience other times, other places, other lives. We manage to become much more than our own selves. The only dead are those who grow sere and shriveled within, unable to step outside their own lives and into those of others. Ignorance is death. A closed mind is a catafalque.
    Well of course. This is why reading about the Other might matter.

    Art is never pure, and what you consider "quality" might have more to do with your socialization and your capacity to interpret than it has to do with the work at hand.

    Art always takes a political stance but, hopefully, it is one taken with some grace.

    Quote Originally Posted by stlukesguild View Post
    But then again I have read Thucydides...

    As someone who has taught for years in an urban public school setting I probably know more about certain social/political/economic issues than you can imagine.
    And before you start the "I am more qualified than you" game you might want to know more about your "opponent." I suspect I could just about hold my own.
    I've always found it rather exciting to remember that there is a difference between what we experience and what we think it means.


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    Art always takes a political stance but, hopefully, it is one taken with some grace.

    "All art is political". It's like I'm back in college with all those frustrated ex-hippies now literature professors. And all is relative. There is no good or bad in art. Only social energies. Shakespeare hasn't attained his preeminent position because of the aesthetic merit of the work but rather because it forwards the agenda of the ruling power elite. Do I have it right? By the way... how did this author whose works are often quite amoral (good certainly does not always win out over evil), who has a rather dark view of what humanity is capable of at time, who may even have had homo-erotic tendencies end up in this position as poster-boy of the power elite. Surely Ben Jonson or Milton would have made a better choice.

    And before you start the "I am more qualified than you" game you might want to know more about your "opponent." I suspect I could just about hold my own.

    If I recall the context of this claim of what I have read it was not to prove some sort of qualifications. It was merely intended to point out that a great deal of literature that purports to convey some degree of historical fact must be taken with a large grain of salt, and to read literature with an eye to gaining a great deal of historical knowledge may be misguided to say the least. As far as qualifications I make no claim. Literature is (merely?) my obsession. My personal field of expertise is actually the visual arts.
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    Personal recommendations for 20th Century American lit:

    Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
    Hundred Years of Solitude by Marquez (if you like Gunter Grass you'll love him)
    To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
    Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by Hunter Thompson
    Motherless Brooklyn by Jonathan Lethem
    any collection of short stories by Damon Runyon
    Cannery Row by Steinbeck
    Slaughterhouse 5 by Vonnegut
    Stranger in a Strange Land by Heinlein
    aude sapere

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    Does American Lit. also contain Latin American?? I'm confused...because I have some great Latin American writers....but I don't know if you just want North America...or USA.

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    Grazie mille... :)

    Wow... I do not know where to start my thanks to everyone for their suggestions, explanations, and for making an interesting discussion out of my question. Thank you everybody, you have no idea how much it means to me.

    I have printed your suggestions (though feel free to add more of them!), so now I have got an interesting list of things from which to choose and enjoy for the entire year before the university.
    Reading through your suggestions I have encountered some names which I had experience with but forgot to bring up in my original post (Nabokov, e.g., I somehow always intuitively count him in 'Russian literature'), but most of your suggestions were opening a whole new unknown world to me. I am excited about it a lot. As soon as I return from holiday, I am off to the nearest library and starting.

    Oh, and one more thing, perhaps I failed to express myself clearly:
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    However, Anastasija, as you are asking for something to serve as some preparation for university literature studies, and if it is indeed American lit that you need to concern yourself with, that stuff will undoubtedly be there.
    I am going to study Literature - not American Literature specifically. As I live in Europe, undoubtedly the focus shall be on European and national literature (I say "national" because I am still having second thoughts about which university I am about to attend, and they are in different countries... I have a little more time to think), from what I have seen from the descriptions of programmes and - compulsory at least - classes I am about to take. There should be relatively small amount of American literature involved, if not solely for getting broader perspective, however, it is more that I wish to know about it, even if I do not get formally introduced that much American literature in university (which we are yet to see, perhaps there shall be some elective courses which deal with it specifically, so far I have not noticed).

    Thank you everybody once more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortis Anarchy View Post
    Does American Lit. also contain Latin American?? I'm confused...because I have some great Latin American writers....but I don't know if you just want North America...or USA.
    Yes, the wonders of the term "American" I should have been more precise and clearly state that I was interested in US literature.

    However, as you brought it up, my experience with South American literature is as scarce as with US literature, so feel free to make suggestions, I will find time to squeeze them into my repertoire (not that I do anything else in my life other than dealing with literature and art... I do not even study for school, so I have enough time to read ). What I should, basically, is to use this last year of school to broaden my perspective of literature entirely, and try to get better hold of world literature in general; however, as it boarders impossible to be well-versed in all of it, I wanted to focus on what would generally be "Western-civilisation" literature, thus I decided to make up for some major gaps in American literature to start with.

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    Well here is my list of Latin American Writers:

    Mario Benedetti
    Gabriel Garcia Marquez
    Ernesto Sabato
    Thiego de Mello
    Eduardo Hughes Galeand
    Pablo Armando Fernandez
    Jorge Enrique Adoum
    Luis Rafael Sanchez
    Mayra Montero
    Ana Lydia Vega
    Alberto Ruy Sanchez
    Martin Luis Guzman
    Pita Amor
    Gabriela Brimmer
    Rosario Castellanos
    Ricardo Flores Magon
    Guadalupe Marin
    Yolanda Vargas Dulche

    *There are plenty more...but I've either read stuff by them, or they have been recommended to me by close friends/family.

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    If Latin America is included... then there are certainly a good many to add. My personal list would surely include:

    J.L. Borges
    Pablo Neruda
    Sor Juana Inez de la Cruz
    Julio Cortazar
    Gabriel Garcia Marquez
    Carlos Fuentes
    Octavio Paz
    Mario Vargas Llosa
    Homero Aridjis
    Alejo Carpentier
    Augusto Monterroso
    Joachim Maria Machado de Assis
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