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    Ivan Donn Carswell (1945- ) from Gisborne, New Zealand

    Futurelessness by Ivan Donn Carswell
    Why can't I keep out of harm's way?
    Am I so preoccupied, simultaneously looking ahead,
    concurrently looking behind; concerned to avoid
    what I'll fail to heed and blunder on into calamity?
    I lurch with no confidence from moment to moment
    in a blindness as complete as if we'd never met.
    Colliding with figments of your imagination or mine,
    recoiling from dead-ends and dangling conversations,
    half-truths and dyspeptic distortions.
    And when we crash into the inevitable wall
    I am gutted by its abruptness.
    There is scant time to plan avoidance as each clash is
    instant and after our loud but brittle utterances
    you leave in mnemonic silence and I burn to ashes.
    The fire is ruthless, it devours egregiously, consuming
    all reason without respite, and though I cringe
    in its aftermath, shocked in a charred hell,
    cursing my stupidity bodes no pyrrhic insight.

    Time to count the torrid cost of careless words inflicted on
    your battered dignity, time to close the ugly face that chanted
    out invective foul and shattered amity, time to quell
    the fervid rush of feckless wrath which weighs
    against the bloodied loss this manic madness brusque
    and hot has flung across the face of sanity.

    And I think of the words we've used; how we've talked
    without touching the matter directly, or walking it to sleep,
    not laying a hand on its heart, resolving nothing other
    than knowing it hurt too much to say more, or
    having said too much afraid we would be buried too deep.
    And I fear the litanies, the trifling banter which offended none
    until a fatal line was uttered and the battle thus begun.
    And now I think a thousand lines and fear to utter one.

    Who are these strangers in our house?
    Cavalier of feeling, lacking sensitivity,
    cartoons of battered self-esteem circling vulturously.
    What were their origins and why are they so,
    are they one and same we know?
    I wish they'd stay their distance but fear
    they share a common path - they bear a strange resemblance.

    When I equate your sapping pain the sickness
    in my stomach quells my need to eat or drink and bile
    derides a bitter taste upon my tongue. I tremble in the aftershock,
    ravaged numb with boiling shame; my deed it was, I knew it not
    for what it was and bear the blame. I wear this millstone
    as a symbol of my fate, a fate that weighs alone.
    That you should feel the weight belies
    your quiet, so deathly hushed it is without you home.

    Time to count the torrid cost of careless words inflicted on
    your battered dignity, time to close the ugly face that chanted
    out invective foul and shattered amity, time to quell
    the fervid rush of feckless wrath which weighs
    against the bloodied loss this manic madness brusque
    and hot has flung across the face of sanity.

    Where is the person you once were?
    Who is the one you have become? Can I find you in between?
    I searched in memories which span the years we knew together
    but rummaged in a closet bare. It is as if
    you’d left with every vestige of yourself, and though
    mementos and odds and ends remain
    they are cold and inanimate, giving no clues.
    I don't know who the new You is, and I am sorely afraid
    it isn't the same You I knew. I don't know the new me either; I can't see,
    I am blinded by futureless prospects which appal and terrify me.

    I know of your wont for contentment for when you are not
    I am despondent and spiritless; yet you need me to be happy
    to mollify your joy, which to me is as much affliction as frivolity.
    It is difficult to rise above the effect you have and impossible to deflect
    this curse of your decent geniality and courteous respect,
    you are the civilised soul; I, the angst-ridden ghoul.
    Had we common joys to share and shared them not
    to keep a pact we never made, preserve a calm of artifice,
    I'd be a hand to misery - but share we did and kept a peace
    we'd never trade. Low as I am and ready to sleep,
    I smile to recall the gentle snores I hear
    through the walls that separate us now. They woke me at times,
    I could touch to reassure you, if not myself,
    that at the heart of the matter, the matter was we were together.
    Now I'm not so sure.
    Can we be together still but need to be apart?

    Time to count the torrid cost of careless words inflicted on
    your battered dignity, time to close the ugly face that chanted
    out invective foul and shattered amity, time to quell
    the fervid rush of feckless wrath which weighs
    against the bloodied loss this manic madness brusque
    and hot has flung across the face of sanity.
    © I.D. Carswell

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    The Buddha in the Glory (translated by C. F. MacIntyre)

    Center of centers, of all seeds the germ,
    O almond self-enclosed and growing sweeter,
    from here clear to the starry swarms
    your fruit's flesh grows. I greet you.

    Lo, you feel how nothing more depends
    on you; into infinity your shell
    waxes; there the strong sap works and fills you.
    And from beyond a gloriole descends

    to help, for high above your head your suns,
    full and fulgurating, turn.
    And yet, already in you is begun
    something which longer than the suns shall burn.

    --Rainer Maria Rilke, from Neue Gedichte: Anderer Teil

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    That's a beautiful translation! I only knew this one, I don't know who translated it:

    Buddha in Glory

    Center of all centers, core of cores,
    almond self-enclosed, and growing sweet--
    all this universe, to the furthest stars
    all beyond them, is your flesh, your fruit.

    Now you feel how nothing clings to you;
    your vast shell reaches into endless space,
    and there the rich, thick fluids rise and flow.
    Illuminated in your infinite peace,

    a billion stars go spinning through the night,
    blazing high above your head.
    But in you is the presence that
    will be, when all the stars are dead.


    The original is beautiful too!

    Buddha in der Glorie

    Mitte aller Mitten, Kern der Kerne,
    Mandel, die sich einschließt und versüßt, -
    dieses Alles bis an alle Sterne
    ist dein Fruchtfleisch: Sei gegrüßt.

    Sieh, du fühlst, wie nichts mehr an dir hängt;
    im Unendlichen ist deine Schale,
    und dort steht der starke Saft und drängt.
    Und von außen hilft ihm ein Gestrahle,

    denn ganz oben werden deine Sonnen
    voll und glühend umgedreht.
    Doch in dir ist schon begonnen,
    was die Sonnen übersteht.


    Rainer Maria Rilke, Sommer 1908 (vor dem 15.7.), Paris
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    Each man's death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind. - John Donne

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    The Volunteer
    Here lies a clerk who half his life had spent
    Toiling at ledgers in a city grey,
    Thinking that so his days would drift away
    With no lance broken in life's tournament:
    Yet ever 'twixt the books and his bright eyes
    The gleaming eagles of the legions came,
    And horsemen, charging under phantom skies,
    Went thundering past beneath the oriflamme.

    And now those waiting dreams are satisfied;
    From twilight to the halls of dawn he went;
    His lance is broken; but he lies content
    With that high hour, in which he lived and died.
    And falling thus he wants no recompense,
    Who found his battle in the last resort;
    Nor needs he any hearse to bear him hence,
    Who goes to join the men of Agincourt.

    Herbert Asquith
    May, 1915

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    a poem from a definition of "folly" by Ambrose Bierce

    FOLLY, n. That "gift and faculty divine" whose creative and controlling energy inspires Man's mind, guides his actions and adorns his life.

    Folly! although Erasmus praised thee once
    In a thick volume, and all authors known,
    If not thy glory yet thy power have shown,
    Deign to take homage from thy son who hunts
    Through all thy maze his brothers, fool and dunce,
    To mend their lives and to sustain his own,
    However feebly be his arrows thrown,

    Howe'er each hide the flying weapons blunts.
    All-Father Folly! be it mine to raise,
    With lusty lung, here on his western strand
    With all thine offspring thronged from every land,
    Thyself inspiring me, the song of praise.
    And if too weak, I'll hire, to help me bawl,
    Dick Watson Gilder, gravest of us all.
    Aramis Loto Frope......................................author' s name a Bierce fabrication
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    By the way: would you call Rainer Maria Rilke a neglected poet? (I wouldn't)
    Each man's death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind. - John Donne

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    To Tinustijger: Guess Rilke is not neglected like most of the others but in this country perhaps, underappreciated. You can speak Deutchlander, yes? In Europe he is, and I'm guessing, more widely known; especially to poetry lovers in Germany, Austria and that general area. Have you ever heard of a Romanian poet ...E.M.Cioran? quasimodo1

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    A Tale of A Grandfather

    I KNOW not of what we pondr'd
    Or made pretty pretence to talk
    As, her hand within mine, we wander'd
    Tow'rd the pool by the limetree walk,
    While the dew fell in showers from the passion flowers
    And the blush-rose bent on her stalk.

    I cannot recall her figure:
    Was it regal as Juno's own?
    Or only a trifle bigger
    Than the elves who surround the throne
    Of the Faery Queen, and are seen, I ween,
    By mortals in dreams alone?

    What her eyes were like, I know not;
    Perhaps they were blurr'd with tears;
    And perhaps in your skies there glow not
    (On the contrary) clearer spheres.
    No! as to her eyes I am just as wise
    As you or the cat, my dears.

    Her teeth, I presume, were 'pearly':
    But which was she, brunette or blonde?
    Her hair, was it quaintly curly,
    Or as straight as a beadle's wand?
    That I fail'd to remark;--it was rather dark
    And shadowy round the pond.

    Then the hand that reposed so snugly
    In mine--was it plump or spare?
    Was the countenance fair or ugly?
    Nay, children, you have me there!
    My eyes were p'haps blurr'd; and besides I'd heard
    That it's horribly rude to stare.

    And I--was I brusque and surly?
    Or oppressively bland and fond?
    Was I partial to rising early?
    Or why did we twain abscond,
    All breakfastless too, from the public view
    To prowl by a misty pond?

    What pass'd, what was felt or spoken--
    Whether anything pass'd at all--
    And whether the heart was broken
    That beat under that shelt'ring shawl--
    (If shawl she had on, which I doubt)--has gone,
    Yes, gone from me past recall.

    Was I haply the lady's suitor?
    Or her uncle? I can't make out--
    Ask your governess, dears, or tutor.
    For myself, I'm in hopeless doubt
    As to why we were there, who on earth we were,
    And what this is all about.

    Charles S. Calverley.......English poet, humorist,parodist, translator, lawyer. (1831-1884)
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    @quasimodo: I speak a little German yes, I live near to the German border (Holland) I never heard of that poet you mentioned though! I love Rilke! But the first poems I read by him, were English translations!

    The Panther

    His vision, from the constantly passing bars,
    has grown so weary that it cannot hold
    anything else. It seems to him there are
    a thousand bars, and behind the bars, no world.

    As he paces in cramped circles, over and over,
    the movement of his powerful soft strides
    is like a ritual dance around a center
    in which a mighty will stands paralyzed.

    Only at times, the curtain of the pupils
    lifts, quietly. An image enters in,
    rushes down through the tense, arrested muscles,
    plunges into the heart and is gone.

    -- Rainer Maria Rilke

    Beautiful.
    Each man's death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind. - John Donne

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    To tinustijger: The only translator of Rilke that is any good is Mitchell (my opinion) and you are lucky to be able to read him in the original German. quasimodo1

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    Haha! The original of der Panther is really spectaculair, the translation I posted is not to be compared with the original, you're right about that!
    Each man's death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind. - John Donne

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    These poems are amazing, thank you for sharing. And I agree, some poets aren't really neglected, at least not by everyone, like Sarah Teasdale, she's really good, and I think she's not really neglected!
    I'm the patron saint of the denial,
    With an angel face and a taste for suicidal.

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    A philosopher poet, E.M.Cioran

    The beauty of flames

    The beauty of flames lies in their strange play, beyond all proportion and harmony. Their diaphanous flare symbolizes at once grace and tragedy, innocence and despair, sadness and voluptuousness. The burning transcendence has something of the lightness of great purifications. I wish the fiery transcendence would carry me up and throw me into a sea of flames, where, consumed by their delicate and insidious tongues, I would die an ecstatic death. The beauty of flames creates the illusion of a pure, sublime death similar to the light of dawn. Immaterial, death in flames is like a burning of light, graceful wings. Do only butterflies die in flames? What about those devoured by the flames within them?

    from EM Cioran's book "On the Heights of Despair."

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    introduction to the next neglected poet

    Excert from generic biography of Guilluame Apollinaire

    THE FRENCH-ITALIAN-POLISH poet Guillaume Apollinaire wasn't quite sure of his identity. Right in the middle of a hectic life of pleasure in early 20th century Paris, he halted for one moment - and asked himself "who am I", in a stanza without punctuation.
    He was born in Rome in 1880 and died in Paris at the end of the war in 1918. At the time of his funeral, people ran out into the streets shouting: "Down with Guillaume!" But this did not refer to the poet, but to the German emperor Wilhelm (Guillaume in French). The chief mourners, following the casket - his mother and all kinds of artists - were shocked, supposing the uproar was on account of the dead poet.
    Apollinaire's real name was Wilhelm-Apollinaris von Kostrowitzky. His mother was a Polish noble lady, who lived in the Vatican. Without being married, she became pregnant and had two sons. Apollinaire's maternal grandfather was a colonel and commander of the papal Swiss guards. But nobody knows for certain who Guillaume's father was. In Paris there were rumours that the pope himself was the father. This was neither confirmed nor denied by the poet.

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    Mirabeau Bridge by Guillaume Apollinaire..............................see previous posting
    Under Mirabeau Bridge runs the Seine
    And our loves
    Must I remember them
    Joy came always after pain
    Let arriving night explain
    Days fade I remain
    Arm in arm let us stay face to face
    While below
    The bridge at our hands passes
    With eternal regards the wave so slow
    Let arriving night explain
    Days fade I remain
    Love goes like this water flows
    Love goes
    Like life is slow
    And like hope is violent
    Let arriving night explain
    Days fade I remain
    The days passed and the weeks spent
    Not times past
    Nor loves sent return again
    Under Mirabeau bridge runs the Seine .......... by G. Apollinaire (1880-1918)
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