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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtian View Post
    I would not paint all fundelmentalist Christians with the same brush, I was merely giving a example, this caused my mother a lot of trouble at school. The problem grew due to the objections of a Jehovah's Witness.

    When the books first came out many groups here is an article I took from an anti-censorship website.

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    During the last school year, right-wing groups sought to remove books from the Harry Potter series from schools across the nation by alleging that they are luring students into witchcraft and the occult. On a December 2001 700 Club, host Pat Robertson followed up an interview with an anti-Harry Potter activist by warning that God will forsake nations that tolerate witchcraft. Robertson advised his audience that the Bible said that, "there's certain things that he says that is going to cause the Lord, or the land, to vomit you out. At the head of the list is witchcraft….Now we're welcoming this and teaching our children. And what we're doing is asking for the wrath of God to come on this country….And if there's ever a time we need God's blessing it's now. We don't need to be bringing in heathen, pagan practices to the United States of America."
    (XTIAN NOTE: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS WITCHCRAFT, in this form, There is Wicca but this is not the same thing. No where in the Harry Potter books is Wicca mentioned, so what is Robertson so worried about. Maybe we should be scared of SANTA CLAUS because is shift the letters around SANTA becomes SATAN. We should always be afraid of things we have no concept of, I mean really, I know many Wiccans and not one can fly on a broom or play quittich for that matter)

    Several national religious right organizations, like Concerned Women for America, the Traditional Values Coalition, the American Family Association, and Focus on the Family, have warned their supporters against the dangers of the Harry Potter books. And across the country, parents and religious groups worked to try to get Harry Potter books removed from local schools.

    In York, Pennsylvania, a parent, along with a local pastor and elementary school teacher, urged the Eastern York School District to ban the Potter series from district schools. The parent, Deb DiEugenio, complained that the Potter books were "against my daughter's constitution, it's evil, it's witchcraft. I'm not paying taxes to teach my child witchcraft." Tony Leanza, who is a pastor at the New Wine Christian Center as well as a local elementary school teacher, attempted to argue that "Wicca is a religion" and thus the Potter books should be banned because they violate the separation of church and state. The school board eventually voted 7-2 to allow teachers to continue to use the Potter series, provided that students first received a parent's permission.
    (Where in the books are the tenets Wicca taught? Oh, right, "do harm to none." Isn't that the same as "treat others the way you be treated"? Is the bible teaching the same thing as Wicca.)

    In July 2002, parents in Cromwell, Connecticut sought to have the Potter books, along with Newbery award-winning book The Witch of Blackbird Pond, removed from a local middle school because they supposedly expose children to spells and witchcraft and provide a negative portrayal of Christianity. Dr. J Michael Bates, a pastor in the Emmanuel Baptist Church, urged taxpayers to protest such books, even if they do not have children in the school system. "The public school needs to know that there are people out there who resent this stuff," Bates said. The objectors plan to petition the school board at an upcoming meeting.

    (I would love for just one person to show me where these books insult Christianity?)

    These sorts of attacks on the Potter series were not isolated incidents. Right-wing groups in cities around the country attacked the series. In Florida, Kansas, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Maine and California, individuals and organizations attempted to keep Harry Potter out of the reach of children.

    Perhaps the most intense attack on the Potter books came from the Christ Community Church in Alamogordo, New Mexico, where an actual book burning was held on Dec. 30, 2001. Hundreds turned out to join Pastor Jack Brock's "holy bonfire," where they smashed CDs, videos and records with a baseball bat and burned magazines and books, including the Harry Potter books, which Brock called "a masterpiece of satanic deception."




    WHat a bunch of nonsense, I have a better term but I believe that would violate a language code. Just for the record however, I am not a Christian, I am not Wicca, I support the rights of everyone to practice what ever religion they choose, and even though the belief of any particular religion goes against much of what I beleive in, "Religion is the OPIUM of the Masses" I will fight for that right until the practice of any religion infringes on my right to believe in nothing.

    Just a correction though, CS Lewis was a strict Catholic from Belfast and JRR Tolkien living in Great Britian was a non-believer until he converted to Catholicism because of the influence from his friend CS Lewis. The Christian mythology is easily seen in Chronicles of Narnia, Aslan sacrifices himself for the sake of a traitor. The Christian mythos can also be seen in Tolkien but it is hidden in allegory.

    But back to the topic, I just saw a preview of new Potter movie, I loved it even though it is differant from the others, it is very dark but I am sure as last book is the darkest and Rowling did say she was killing off a major character, odds are on Harry himself to get killed.

    But other questions arise: When Padfoot stepped into the curtian did he die or go into a differant deminsion, after all he would have appeared as a ghost like Nearly Headless Nick, the victim of a violent death? What of Dumbledore is he really dead, could he not have the magical powers to survive, (Ben Kenobi transcended death) as did Myrtle, The Bloody Baron etc.?

    I can't wait the next few weeks until the last comes out. What will Rowlings write next? Or will she follow Anne Rice into vampyres, religion, werewolves etc.?

    Trust me I loved the movie. The book should be great
    To tell you the truth...whenever I heard that Pope Benadict didn't like Harry Potter, my first thought was, "man you are missing out!"...

    I have to agree...this next movie is going to be interesting...darker thats for sure!! We'll see how it goes though...

    As for Black, I have a feeling that there is more to the 'veil' than just him 'dying' or whatever. Also, what if Dumbledore comes back as a ghost...thats what my friend thinks, me as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtian View Post

    Just a correction though, CS Lewis was a strict Catholic from Belfast and JRR Tolkien living in Great Britian was a non-believer until he converted to Catholicism because of the influence from his friend CS Lewis. The Christian mythology is easily seen in Chronicles of Narnia, Aslan sacrifices himself for the sake of a traitor. The Christian mythos can also be seen in Tolkien but it is hidden in allegory.
    Lewis was not Catholic. Tolkien was a life long Catholic. Lewis was influenced heavily by Tolkien and Chesterton.
    Last edited by _Shannon_; 07-10-2007 at 05:53 PM.

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    Tolkien was Catholic...Lewis was atheist until his 30's then he converted to The Church of England...but even then he didn't really go to church or anything...just for communion. I just finished a biography.

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    Lewis became Christian primarily in response to reading Chesterton's The Everlasting Man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Shannon_ View Post
    Lewis became Christian primarily in response to reading Chesterton's The Everlasting Man.
    And because Tolkien's arguements...but yeah..have you read The Everlasting Man?

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    Christians... I'm a deist, but even then, when some Christian friend of mine comes in they always start preaching me about how I should go to church and all and we start the whole debate... I always thought Christianity was all about freedom of religion. And various "God Warriors" don't make it look any better.

    Anyway, I'm looking forward to the last book, but I am also suspicious of an unsatisfying ending... And it has nothing to do with Harry dying or staying alive, it's just that endings are a problem with complex storylines. -_-
    "Dullness. Ethereal, ephemeral, allegorical dullness. The blunt boredom rises from the gorge of her insufferable lips and floats like the tiniest feather of a long dead bird until it lands, naked and tired memory next to your fleshy feet. But she is gone now, away, away, like all the others, away, away! Only I, poet man, has chosen to stay. And I welcome you, travelers, to the memory catacombs of the Brunnen-G!" (c) Poet Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortis Anarchy View Post
    And because Tolkien's arguements...but yeah..have you read The Everlasting Man?
    Nope- Orthodoxy, but not Everlasting Man LOL! And Fr. Brown and all the nonsense verse...and Ballad of the White Horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Video Drone View Post
    Christians... I'm a deist, but even then, when some Christian friend of mine comes in they always start preaching me about how I should go to church and all and we start the whole debate... I always thought Christianity was all about freedom of religion. And various "God Warriors" don't make it look any better.

    Anyway, I'm looking forward to the last book, but I am also suspicious of an unsatisfying ending... And it has nothing to do with Harry dying or staying alive, it's just that endings are a problem with complex storylines. -_-
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    I read Cat In The Hat still.


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    The only reason I see adults reading harry potter is to support their children into reading the book. Other than that, I don not find that many adults interested in the book, it is after all very juvenile. Escapism... I do not think any adult would want to escape into high school drama set in a wizard world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJLuke View Post
    The only reason I see adults reading harry potter is to support their children into reading the book. Other than that, I don not find that many adults interested in the book, it is after all very juvenile. Escapism... I do not think any adult would want to escape into high school drama set in a wizard world.
    I can. Child literature can be both brilliant and beautiful. My mother is in her 60s and she loves reading Harry Potter and other popular child lit. Child lit can be responsive to a reader's idea of novelty or tap a sentimental vein.

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    The only reason I see adults reading harry potter is to support their children into reading the book. Other than that, I don not find that many adults interested in the book, it is after all very juvenile. Escapism... I do not think any adult would want to escape into high school drama set in a wizard world.
    My mother used to read Enid Blyton and of course not to make her children read it, but because she actually 'enjoyed' reading it 'herself'. Can't an adult read a book just for enjoyment sake?
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    I'm confused as to why any form of literature should be confined to any age range. When I was 10 I was critisised for reading Wuthering Heights because many people thought that I would be unable to capture the intensity and passion within its pages and yet it captivated me. My mother reads His Dark Materials trilogy by Phillip Pullman and she also reads the Chronicals of Narnia. This is not because my mum is having a moment of regression or escapism but because she appreciates fantastic writing styles and enjoys adventure. Does being an adult mean that we aren't allowed to have a Peter Pan moment and just relax into a fantasy land?

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    where Harry Potter may have been intended for younger children, i think that the book explores many adult themes, it looks at life changing and affecting issues such as death of parents/friendships/loneliness/not fitting in. the book is written in a way that is easy for everyone of all ages to understand and interpret in their own way. surely this is a main feature of literature i itself??? to interpret a text how you want to make it relevant to our lives today, what ever situation we may be in?

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    Adults enjoy child lit for many reasons, it is a different style, embellished and highly imaginative, usually fantasy-based, no less dramatic than adult lit and can have important morals.

    Lewis Carroll
    Richard Adams
    E.B. White
    J.M Barrie

    are great examples of this.

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