Orwell Quote in "Fahrenheit 9/11"

[Shadowraven]

Can you help me find the page number of this quote? Is it quoted from all one paragraph or is some of this paraphrased from Orwell's writings? I'm going to try and purchase a copy of the novel this weekend, but wanted to get a head start in finding this quote. Thanks in advance!

"It's not a matter of whether the war is not real, or if it is, Victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, it is ment to be continuous. Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. This new version is the past and no different past can ever have existed. In principle the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the grueling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or East Asia but to keep the very structure of society intact."

[Ingenieur]

The quote is definitely from Nineteen Eighty-Four. I'm pretty sure that it's in the section where Winston reads Emmanuel Goldstein's "THE BOOK". I don't have my copy of 1984, my dad has it out in montreal. Hopefully someone else can give the exact page number.

[simon]

I concurr it's found in 1984, and like Ingenieur says it is probably in part of the Book where the methods of big brother are explianed. But it could also be at the end of the book after winston is defeated.

By the way I thought that quote fit perfectly into the documentary, I saw the connections all too clearly.

[Ingenieur]

What's interesting is that I was chatting with a friend about 2 months ago about the war in Iraq and the state of affairs in the U.S.. I brought up that exact same quote, saying that America had been reduced to the Orwellian world of 1984.

America is at war with Osama Bin Laden. America has always been at war with Osama Bin Laden

America is at war with Saddam Hussein. America has always been at war with Saddam Hussein.

Unfortunately, nothing stirs up more patriotism than good old-fashioned war. Yet, this time, there is a large portion of the American population that opposes the war in Iraq. This was not the case in, say, World War 2 - where Adolf Hitler had directly invaded several countries and would continue doing so unless stopped. If any large-scale war was justified in the 20th century, I'd have to say that was it.

[Logos]

I'm going to remind people here of a recent quote from Admin regarding political discussion:

Discussing George Orwell's view on politics or what he was saying in 1984 is allowed.

Discussing modern politics is not allowed.

This topic has veered off course.

From the following thread:
http://www.online-literature.com/for...?t=2714&page=2