My chest hurts a bit nut i'm not as stuffed up as i was! Was on for five mins yesterday night. Was up early to accompany my boyfriend to kerry and back so he would have some company.Originally Posted by Janine
i like hugh grant but its Joseph Fiennes for me! shame he doesnt do many movies. My heart melted for him when i saw Shakespeare in Love.
Longest movie title i can think of is 'Dont be a menace in south central while drinking your juice in the Hood'.
How are you feeling today?
Last edited by Niamh; 03-26-2007 at 03:27 PM.
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Janine, "The count of Monte Cristo" is from now on, on my list with favourite books. To watch a movie that didn't respect such a masterpiece of classic literature not in the least, was not only painfull but annoying as well. If you are not familiar with the book, or if you have read it years ago then you can easily enjoy the film. But if the characters are alive in your mind then i'm afraid you will agree with me.
You see, i'm a book purist. When i watch a book adaptation in cinema, i demand it to be faithfull to the book. There is no harm done if the director ommits certain parts, especially if the book is huge (like "the Count of Monte Cristo"). This was the case with the Chamberlain film . It was a very short version of the book, but i liked it.
With the Reynolds film (the one with Caviezel) the case was very different. Half the characters of the book were ommited. The funny, or rather absurd thing is that some of the most crucial to the plot were ommited too, whereas some new ones were introduced!!! Many things were completely different (because they suited the director to give his "version" of the book).
Caviezel may be a cute man, a good actor, but if you recall the book and then watch the movie you realize that he completely fails to capture the essence of the Count. Instead of a majestic , imperial, dark personage (the Count according to the book) you get something anaccountable..something completely different. I believe this is the worst aspect of the film.
And last but not least...the end is completely different!!!! I couldn't believe my eyes Janine! Instead of the count sailing in the East with his beloved Haidee (the young woman under his protection) you get a happy family reunion with Mercedes. And of course Albert is his son and not his rival's son!!!!!!! (Which means that Edmond Dandes and Mercedes had sexual intercourse without being married! Unheard of if you keep in mind the era where the events take place).
I will not mention some of the actors whom i found mediocre. This is very subjective. But this i will mention. The script was awfull in parts. If you get to read the book (or if you have already) you will realise it's teriffic language. I read the book in english (although it is a french book) because the last few years i do most of my reading in english. So i had a very nice translation in english where the words fled as they do in victorian novels..and so compared with the script and the cheap trics and cheap phrases..but that was the least annoying part.
I do not mean to say that the people who gave it a good rating in imdb have no taste. I simply believe that most of them haven't read the book so they are not familiar with the story, the characters, the plot e.t.c Maybe if i hadn't read the book i would like the film (but i doubt it). By the way i voted too in imdb as i always do when i watch a film. And if you read the reviews have a look what people who have read the book say.
I hope you have recovered from the illness Janine.
Last edited by manolia; 03-26-2007 at 03:37 PM.
They can be ordered from Amazon or other booksellers, but it's really too much to pay for something one has never seen, so I am catching up through Netflix. They seem to have quite a few.
Thanks Jamesian, Good idea! Yes, I do buy quite too many on Amazon and usually am lucky and like them, but there have been those occasional booms.
"It's so mysterious, the land of tears."
Chapter 7, The Little Prince ~ Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
I watched Apocalypse Now two nights ago. Ehhmm...it was a great parallel to Heart of Darkness, just some of it was a bit weird. 8/10.
At the movies I saw 300. I love this movie...a bit of blood but I am not a girl who is squeamish at war scenes. Keep in mind the movie is rated R. 11/10.
"So heaven meets earth like a sloppy wet kiss, and my heart turns violently inside of my chest, I don't have time to maintain these regrets, when I think about, the way....He loves us..."
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5xXowT4eJjY
manolia, I do know what you mean totally. I like the film to be closest to the book it can be and I am totally annoyed when the director decides to make up new scenes of his own for movie or leave out key scenes,...why? If you notice most or all movies nowdays say "Based on the book....or based on the true story...etc." Everything you wrote here is good and makes sense to me.Janine, "The count of Monte Cristo" is from now on, on my list with favourite books. To watch a movie that didn't respect such a masterpiece of classic literature not in the least, was not only painfull but annoying as well. If you are not familiar with the book, or if you have read it years ago then you can easily enjoy the film. But if the characters are alive in your mind then i'm afraid you will agree with me.
You see, i'm a book purist. When i watch a book adaptation in cinema, i demand it to be faithfull to the book. There is no harm done if the director ommits certain parts, especially if the book is huge (like "the Count of Monte Cristo"). This was the case with the Chamberlain film . It was a very short version of the book, but i liked it.
With the Reynolds film (the one with Caviezel) the case was very different. Half the characters of the book were ommited. The funny, or rather absurd thing is that some of the most crucial to the plot were ommited too, whereas some new ones were introduced!!! Many things were completely different (because they suited the director to give his "version" of the book).
Caviezel may be a cute man, a good actor, but if you recall the book and then watch the movie you realize that he completely fails to capture the essence of the Count. Instead of a majestic , imperial, dark personage (the Count according to the book) you get something anaccountable..something completely different. I believe this is the worst aspect of the film.
And last but not least...the end is completely different!!!! I couldn't believe my eyes Janine! Instead of the count sailing in the East with his beloved Haidee (the young woman under his protection) you get a happy family reunion with Mercedes. And of course Albert is his son and not his rival's son!!!!!!! (Which means that Edmond Dandes and Mercedes had sexual intercourse without being married! Unheard of if you keep in mind the era where the events take place).
I will not mention some of the actors whom i found mediocre. This is very subjective. But this i will mention. The script was awfull in parts. If you get to read the book (or if you have already) you will realise it's teriffic language. I read the book in english (although it is a french book) because the last few years i do most of my reading in english. So i had a very nice translation in english where the words fled as they do in victorian novels..and so compared with the script and the cheap trics and cheap phrases..but that was the least annoying part.
I do not mean to say that the people who gave it a good rating in imdb have no taste. I simply believe that most of them haven't read the book so they are not familiar with the story, the characters, the plot e.t.c Maybe if i hadn't read the book i would like the film (but i doubt it). By the way i voted too in imdb as i always do when i watch a film. And if you read the reviews have a look what people who have read the book say.
I hope you have recovered from the illness Janine.
I don't always think the general population are the final word or the reviewers are the ones to go by, neither are the professionals; I have often disagreed with them entirely. I have not seen this film version for ages, but I do remember thinking it a little corny and even silly at times. I knew I would probably never rewatch it again, but now I ought to, just to have a clearer vision talk to you about it. On second viewing, I probably would fully agree with you. I think if I had one not read the book (which actually I have not) it might be an ok adventure type film, not too heavy and full of action. Incidentlay, necessarily those are not the genre that really attract me. I like films with more substance. I am sure the book had that and when it comes to duplicating a truly great book, one simply can't do it. Books are always better, you know. Usually I go into watching a film knowing just that; it will fall quite short of the book. But I do like adaptations so I try to take them for what they are worth. I like Jim Caveziel a lot - he can give really intense luminous performances, but as you said he did not fit the Count. No doubt I would agree with you about that. Jim gives a gentle countenence and a layed back demeanor in my opinion. His acting is more internalised. His eyes usually are the key spot revealing his soulful way. Probably the count would be much more dynamic and animated. I don't know; I must watch the film again. A friend of mine owns it, so I will borrow it from him. His son gave it to him as a gift, but I think he even prefers the Chamberlain film. I do think that the better of the two films. Wonder if any other versions were ever made like by the BBC, etc.
Thanks for your concern. This tough cough is still holding on. I feel sort of in a daze again today - think it is the congestion wearing me out and making me so tired.
[QUOTE=Niamh;348564]My chest hurts a bit nut i'm not as stuffed up as i was! Was on for five mins yesterday night. Was up early to accompany my boyfriend to kerry and back so he would have some company.
Niamh, Glad you are better. My chest hurt for awhile in the beginning, but now it feels just as congested and the cough is bothering me the most. My nose is still running off and on, but I can deal with that better than this stubborn cough. I think when you are young it is easier to shake these things. At my age it is harder. I have other chronic things going on too and that adds into the equation, unfortunately. I am going to the drugstore to try and find something for this cough. It is evening here now.
This is so funny - Joseph Fiennes is my favorite too. I think he is a honey....absolutely adorable and so so sexily appealing. I fell in love with him in "Shakespeare in Love" too and I loved him in "Elizabeth" as Lord Robert. When he and Elizabeth (Cate Blanchard) dance I die of longing. He is so damn cute. I have seen him in a lot of films, but I still do wish, like you, he made more. He does stage acting,I believe, so guess he is pretty busy. He is in "Luther", also. I bought the "Romeo and Juliet" Arkangel CD set, since he plays Romeo - what a sweet romantic voice he has. I love him to recite Shakespeare to me as I drift off to sleep - *dream on Janine*. With headphones I am referring to of course. I can't see him, but I sure can conjur him up in my mind's eye when listening. Nice way to fall into a dream.i like hugh grant but its Joseph Fiennes for me! shame he doesnt do many movies. My heart melted for him when i saw Shakespeare in Love.
Yes, I think that wins the prize hands down!Longest movie title i can think of is 'Dont be a menace in south central while drinking your juice in the Hood'.
N, take care and get better. Don't give your boyfriend your cold - no kissing this week!Janine
Chapter 7, The Little Prince ~ Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
[QUOTE=Janine;348648]My chest hurts a bit nut i'm not as stuffed up as i was! Was on for five mins yesterday night. Was up early to accompany my boyfriend to kerry and back so he would have some company.
Niamh, Glad you are better. My chest hurt for awhile in the beginning, but now it feels just as congested and the cough is bothering me the most. My nose is still running off and on, but I can deal with that better than this stubborn cough. I think when you are young it is easier to shake these things. At my age it is harder. I have other chronic things going on too and that adds into the equation, unfortunately. I am going to the drugstore to try and find something for this cough. It is evening here now.
This is so funny - Joseph Fiennes is my favorite too. I think he is a honey....absolutely adorable and so so sexily appealing. I fell in love with him in "Shakespeare in Love" too and I loved him in "Elizabeth" as Lord Robert. When he and Elizabeth (Cate Blanchard) dance I die of longing. He is so damn cute. I have seen him in a lot of films, but I still do wish, like you, he made more. He does stage acting,I believe, so guess he is pretty busy. He is in "Luther", also. I bought the "Romeo and Juliet" Arkangel CD set, since he plays Romeo - what a sweet romantic voice he has. I love him to recite Shakespeare to me as I drift off to sleep - *dream on Janine*. With headphones I am referring to of course. I can't see him, but I sure can conjur him up in my mind's eye when listening. Nice way to fall into a dream.
Yes, I think that wins the prize hands down!
N, take care and get better. Don't give your boyfriend your cold - no kissing this week!
Just watched the UTV drama version of Northanger Abbey. Its only a new adaptation for their Austen season(i missed Mansfield park and persuasion is this weekend). It was Alright. I enjoyed it even though it is deffinately not ny favourite Austen. Cant wait to see Persuasion which is my favourite Austen!
"Come away O human child!To the waters of the wild, With a faery hand in hand, For the worlds more full of weeping than you can understand."
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"If it looks like a Dwarf and smells like a Dwarf, then it's probably a Dwarf (or a latrine wearing dungarees)"
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Hi Niamh.
If you are refering to the BBC adaptation of persuasion, it is ok. I watched it a couple of months ago. One thing i didn't like. I wish they had chosen a better looking actor for Captain Wentworth
No UTV/ITV have just done there own adaptations. I've seen that bbc on a few years back. I agree, the could have given us a bit of eye candy, like Joseph fiennes as Wentworth. Most of the actors were a bit rugged and sweat faced.Hi Niamh.
If you are refering to the BBC adaptation of persuasion, it is ok. I watched it a couple of months ago. One thing i didn't like. I wish they had chosen a better looking actor for Captain Wentworth
this is the guy who is playing wentworth in the ITV/UTV version;
His name is rupert penry-jones.
"Come away O human child!To the waters of the wild, With a faery hand in hand, For the worlds more full of weeping than you can understand."
W.B.Yeats
"If it looks like a Dwarf and smells like a Dwarf, then it's probably a Dwarf (or a latrine wearing dungarees)"
Artemins Fowl and the Lost Colony by Eoin Colfer
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I just saw Amazing Grace. Really great movie- it was true to history but not boring. There was only like 5 other people in the theater, lol, but it was actually applauded at the end. If you like history or true stories this is a must see. But even if you don't like history movies (like me usually) it is still a great movie. There is a lot of subtle humor in it as well.
15/10
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Now that is very interesting...so all the adaptations you mentioned before are new stuff? I wonder if they are available on dvd. I'll better check. Thanx for the info
I dont think they are available yet as they were only completed there a few months back.Now that is very interesting...so all the adaptations you mentioned before are new stuff? I wonder if they are available on dvd. I'll better check. Thanx for the info
"Come away O human child!To the waters of the wild, With a faery hand in hand, For the worlds more full of weeping than you can understand."
W.B.Yeats
"If it looks like a Dwarf and smells like a Dwarf, then it's probably a Dwarf (or a latrine wearing dungarees)"
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Niamh, Ruppert Penry-Jones is a honey, too. I saw him recently in some period drama. Now he is nice eye-candy. Who starred in the other "Persausion", manolia? Was that the one with Ciarran Hinds? I like him, but I am older so maybe that is why he appeals to me. In a most excellent A&E version of "Mayor of Casterbridge" he plays the mayor. Jodi May plays his daughter. It is an well done production and makes me cry everytime.
I saw "Northanger Abbey" and read the book awhile back. A friend mailed it to me. I agree with you Niamh, not my favorite Austen book, nor film. I nearly watched it again recently to see if it might get better on a second watching...my library has a copy of it. In the one I saw, Peter Firth played the male lead. He was in Roman Polanski's version of "Tess of the d'Urbervilles."...just called "Tess" with Nastassja Kinski. I guess he is alright looking, but like you two, I would have preferred a little cuter guy or more appealing or something. He is a little whispy and non-descript in looks I think. I remember feeling in both films..well, disappointed, unsatisfied. I think he is the younger brother of Colin Firth and Jonathan Firth. Nice to have a full acting family, though.
Last night I watched
Ken Russell's film version of "Women in Love", stars Alan Bates, Oliver Reed, Glenda Jackson, Jennie Linden. As the English would say - splendid!
No, really I am a big D.H. Lawrence buff, so I love the film, since it epitomises the Lawrence way of thought. I first saw it in Philadelphia at an art thearter on South Street years ago; I was thrilled to find out I could buy it on DVD. If interested there are some very good insightful reviews on Amazon. The film still seems appropriate in times, but it is a little dated perhaps. Still it is a beautiful film and will make you think a lot. How prophetic L was about the industrialisation of our planet. The main thing in this film are the 4 couples and the two relationships and how each person has his/her own vision or idea of love, which ultimately creates conflict and much questioning.
Assides, Virgil and I are discussing D.H. Lawrence short stories on a thread we created ourselves. On the Lawrence subforums there are 10 of the stories and the one we are currently discussing "The Horse-Dealer's Daughter". Under the title "England, My England", are about 10 short stories with the full texts available on this site. If anyone wants to join in do so; so far it is just Virgil and I and whoever reads what we have written. Just wanted people to be aware.
Niamh, I went to the drugstore and got Robitussen last night - it made a world of difference. I took it before going to bed and it helped my head and my congestion and I slept soundly all night - no coughing. I think I will be fine now. I feel quite improved today. I have IBS so had to content with that part of the virus but now I am fine about that. I should be on the upswing now. Thanks for your concern.
Last edited by Janine; 03-27-2007 at 03:22 PM.
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I also saw that version of Mayor of casterbridge, he is a fine actor but just not eye candy. Yes the version of Persusion Manolla mentioned is the one with him in it.Niamh, Ruppert Penry-Jones is a honey, too. I saw him recently in some period drama. Now he is nice eye-candy. Who starred in the other "Persausion", manolia? Was that the one with Ciarran Hinds? I like him, but I am older so maybe that is why he appeals to me. In a most excellent A&E version of "Mayor of Casterbridge" he plays the mayor. Jodi May plays his daughter. It is an well done production and makes me cry everytime.
I saw "Northanger Abbey" and read the book awhile back. A friend mailed it to me. I agree with you Niamh, not my favorite Austen book, nor film. I nearly watched it again recently to see if it might get better on a second watching...my library has a copy of it. In the one I saw, Peter Firth played the male lead. He was in Roman Polanski's version of "Tess of the d'Urbervilles."...just called "Tess" with Nastassja Kinski. I guess he is alright looking, but like you two, I would have preferred a little cuter guy or more appealing or something. He is a little whispy and non-descript in looks I think. I remember feeling in both films..well, disappointed, unsatisfied. I think he is the younger brother of Colin Firth and Jonathan Firth. Nice to have a full acting family, though.
Last night I watched
Ken Russell's film version of "Women in Love", stars Alan Bates, Oliver Reed, Glenda Jackson, Jennie Linden. As the English would say - splendid!
No, really I am a big D.H. Lawrence buff, so I love the film, since it epitomises the Lawrence way of thought. I first saw it in Philadelphia at an art thearter on South Street years ago; I was thrilled to find out I could buy it on DVD. If interested there are some very good insightful reviews on Amazon. The film still seems appropriate in times, but it is a little dated perhaps. Still it is a beautiful film and will make you think a lot. How prophetic L was about the industrialisation of our planet. The main thing in this film are the 4 couples and the two relationships and how each person has his/her own vision or idea of love, which ultimately creates conflict and much questioning.
Assides, Virgil and I are discussing D.H. Lawrence short stories on a thread we created ourselves. On the Lawrence subforums there are 10 of the stories and the one we are currently discussing "The Horse-Dealer's Daughter". Under the title "England, My England", are about 10 short stories with the full texts available on this site. If anyone wants to join in do so; so far it is just Virgil and I and whoever reads what we have written. Just wanted people to be aware.
Niamh, I went to the drugstore and got Robitussen last night - it made a world of difference. I took it before going to bed and it helped my head and my congestion and I slept soundly all night - no coughing. I think I will be fine now. I feel quite improved today. I have IBS so had to content with that part of the virus but now I am fine about that. I should be on the upswing now. Thanks for your concern.
Good to hear you are feeling better!
"Come away O human child!To the waters of the wild, With a faery hand in hand, For the worlds more full of weeping than you can understand."
W.B.Yeats
"If it looks like a Dwarf and smells like a Dwarf, then it's probably a Dwarf (or a latrine wearing dungarees)"
Artemins Fowl and the Lost Colony by Eoin Colfer
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Niamh, good to hear you saw those versions, too. Always good to compare versions. Yes, well Ciaran Hinds is more a mature type, not a cute type. I am older so now my tastes have changed; I find him appealing in some ways, not as much so as say, Joseph Fiennes or other cute young stars. But in Mayor I liked looking at James Purefoy - the Scottish guy who married Henchard's former mistress. Now I thought he was eye-candy. In "Persausion" I thought that version quite stiff and that it could be better. The lead woman - I can't recall her name just now - is not my favorite. She always seems to have a wide-eyed inquistive look to her face and it gets annoying, at least to me. Casting can make all the difference in the world, can't it?
Yes, just had to go to the drugstore again - another outing. I feel foggy so I don't want to go out much yet. It was not far to drive. I took the medication this afternoon and it seems to help. I will probably just take it a few times a day to function better. Hopefully this is the road to all well.
Grace, sorry, I did not mean to skip over you. You know, I have never been able to get myself to watch "Apocalypse" for some strange reason - too violent and bloody, I imagine. I did not know it was also, weird.
I guess I will have to see "300" since most people have written about it and say it is good - bloody though. I can take that, too, if it is really called for. I am not a squeamish girl either, but don't like it when they take it way over the top - then I get sick of the excessive violence.
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