A thought on Evolution

[Triskele]

Yeah. I think a lot of biblical scholars suggest several Gods of the OT. I think they are variously translated as Lord, Jehovah, Yahweh, God etc.

perhaps you should also look into what the biblical shcolars said about these names. there are many name, because 1)there are many translations of the bible 2)each of the seperate names represents a different aspect of the god 3)the bible was written by many authors, in many different lands, so it stands to reason that they would not all have the same terminology.

[Wintermute]

my grandma wouldn't take me to see jurassic park when I was little because 'dinosaurs never existed'.

Lol Star! My grandma said the same thing. She was firmly convinced the devil put the fossils here to throw us off, hehe. You can't teach stupid (not that I didn't love her).

[cuppajoe_9]

The OP doesn't work for a few reasons. First of all, good and evil are abstract descriptions of human behavior, not genetically inhereted traits. Second, if we're going to take the book of Genesis literally, then the earth really was created in six days, and therefore the devil wouldn't have had the billions of years it takes to create a person indirectly by evolution. Third, we have to take Genesis literally. Fourth, the Bible describes no such 'other tribes' or any intermarriage of Adam and Eve's children. Fifth, if this did happen, the genes for good would be so diluted as to be indistinguishable.

[Stanislaw]

The OP doesn't work for a few reasons. First of all, good and evil are abstract descriptions of human behavior, not genetically inhereted traits. Second, if we're going to take the book of Genesis literally, then the earth really was created in six days, and therefore the devil wouldn't have had the billions of years it takes to create a person indirectly by evolution. Third, we have to take Genesis literally. Fourth, the Bible describes no such 'other tribes' or any intermarriage of Adam and Eve's children. Fifth, if this did happen, the genes for good would be so diluted as to be indistinguishable.

well...it was sort of a bad idea, mixed with an idea of a metaphoricle bible...I'm really not to sure what I was thinking at the time.

[fisherofmen]

Lol Star! My grandma said the same thing. She was firmly convinced the devil put the fossils here to throw us off, hehe. You can't teach stupid (not that I didn't love her).

I see no reason as to why dinosaurs couldn't have coexisted with humans for a while... brings to mind many of the tales concerning dragons we hear about, as well as loch ness monster, etc...

The OP doesn't work for a few reasons. First of all, good and evil are abstract descriptions of human behavior, not genetically inhereted traits.

I think evil is merely the absence of good, same way darkness is merely the absence of light. I think good and evil go beyond just human behavior...

Second, if we're going to take the book of Genesis literally, then the earth really was created in six days, and therefore the devil wouldn't have had the billions of years it takes to create a person indirectly by evolution.

If we were to take it word for word, yup, earth created in 6 days. I think it would be impossible for the devil to create a person, I don't think he can create life, only destroy it (but then, not being the devil myself, I have no clue what he can do)

Third, we have to take Genesis literally. Fourth, the Bible describes no such 'other tribes' or any intermarriage of Adam and Eve's children. Fifth, if this did happen, the genes for good would be so diluted as to be indistinguishable.

There's the kicker! The thing is... cain and able had to have married their sisters. Today, we go something along the lines of "ewwww gross", and think about what genetic defects will occur.

But think back. The world had just started, these people were living for hundreds of years, and not too long ago they were "perfect". How can we be sure that they were exactly as we are today? Perhaps there was something different about them, or maybe they just werent as "polluted" as we are today, so "in-breeding" didnt cause any genetic defects.

[Stanislaw]

well...I suppose, that could explain why people are so flawed today.

[Redzeppelin]

There's the kicker! The thing is... cain and able had to have married their sisters. Today, we go something along the lines of "ewwww gross", and think about what genetic defects will occur.

But think back. The world had just started, these people were living for hundreds of years, and not too long ago they were "perfect". How can we be sure that they were exactly as we are today? Perhaps there was something different about them, or maybe they just werent as "polluted" as we are today, so "in-breeding" didnt cause any genetic defects.

Correct: our genetic material was still in reasonably good shape - but sin (I believe) is so deadly that it can "rewrite" our genetic "source code" - so that, by the time we have the exodus out of Egypt, God laid down the law in terms of prohibiting incestual relationships (and to differentiate them from the pagan tribes around them who continued in those (and sundry other) behaviors.)

[Theshizznigg]

I was thinking about the Adam and Eve story and thought of something, after Adam and Eve were kicked out of heaven (eden) other tribes were also present in the world. What if these people not from heaven were people created by the devil? Now this could explain how people have a balance of good and evil in them and how people can commit autrocities on in our modern times. Now suppose because of time that the tribes of good and evil crossbred and created the grey societies of today? Now how does evolution tie into this? Well the devil was not as powerfull as God so he would not be able to create a person directly but could cause the indirect creation of a person through evolution .

Anythoughts, questions, arguments?

We have no definate answer that Adam and Eve were the only people in Eden. We only know they were the first, and therefore the leaders of whatever group they may have belonged.
Secondly it is hinted in Genesis that God made other humans after, and also the fact that childbirth held no pain for a woman, and we do not know how long they were in Eden.
It could then be argued that because of their leaders decisions, the people under them also ate of the tree, etc, etc.
The problem with Genesis is that it is more a summary of a point in time. (Moses wrote it, don't forget.) So while they're might have been others it only ever concerns itself with those who were important, hence Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Seth.
If one reads books from the apocrypha, then there is a wealth of books that cover the subject of Adams time in Eden and early mans live outside of it.

It funny you should mention cross breeding. If you read the works of Bede and Caedmon, then Caedmon explains humanity as being split into two factions. Cains decendants, and Seths. Seths were peaceful and lived in peace away from Cains descendant. Cain's descendants were war like and fought amongst themselves. In the course of time the two groups co-mingled creating the modern human race.

Excellent thoughts.
Shizz.

[Jorrit]

lol
there isn't any god or whatever according to my believes...
I believe in the evolution

[Redzeppelin]

Fair enough. Care to share why you believe so?

[roger_roger_m]

Thank you for the education. I believe the Bible to be literal without contradiction and accurate scientifically and no I do not believe the earth is the center of the universe. I always enjoy speaking with people who believe in evolution because they have so few answers and so many misconceptions about the Bible.

I have learned from the kind and open-minded evolutionist that I am stupid, ignorant, and blind. Also that I accept any myth, and the things I have seen by evolutionary scientist that are error are truth (even though they later admitted them as false). I have learned that facts said and statistics created on the number of scientist that reject creation are true even though they are made up numbers.

Honestly some of the arguments against the Bible are somewhat inane. I can accept someone disagreeing with me and not insult him. My guess is those who have been so vociferous against Christians who believe in Creation are liberals. Liberals are the most narrow-minded people alive. Please notice I did not call childish names. Disagree like adults and not like 3rd graders. tsktsktsk

[hyperborean]

I always enjoy speaking with people who believe in evolution because they have so few answers and so many misconceptions about the Bible.

It's the history behind the bible that gives me fuel to reject the religion I've followed through childhood. You guys are the ones without any answers. Like parrots you repeat words like "faith" and "God".

[Orionsbelt]

If I were to say that it appears to many who understand evolution that the process is no accident. It is not so random. It appears to have a goal.... no proof... that evolution favors the development of intelligent creatures. Those with more a neurons and finely developed nervous systems.. Perhaps as an expression of something deeper.

Suppose that you were a Hebrew poet. Knowing what you knew, you chose to express it to others from the heart... then evening came and morning followed on the next day...

So what poem would an evolutionist write knowing what you know? ... something like

This is my home, this is my only home
This is the only sacred ground that I have ever known
if should I stray in the dark night alone
Rock me goddess in the gentle arms of Eden - Dave Carter...

Just a thought.

[hyperborean]

I'm not rejecting God. I believe in both God and evolution.

What I do reject is that fairytale, which we call "adam and eve".

[Redzeppelin]

I'm not rejecting God. I believe in both God and evolution.

What I do reject is that fairytale, which we call "adam and eve".

Well, upon what basis do you base your belief in God then? I'm curious.