All about Nietzsche

[hyperborean]

I am A little late, but as they say better late!
I think that This quote is not pyschobabble for this reason; Nietzsche is separating himself from Christ by saying that Man will humble himself for the reason that he alone, without God's doing, will be exalted. Suggesting that man shall humble himself to satify himself without the need to satisfy God.
I hope that made sense ...then again!

It makes perfect sense.

[Asa Adams]

It makes perfect sense.

Oh thank God. I was worrying there that I didn't make any sense to anyone.

[Virgil]

Nietzsche is seperating himself from Christ by saying that Man will humble himself for the reason that he alone, without God's doing, will be exalted. Suggesting that man shall humble himself to satify himself without the need to satisfy God.
I hope that made sense ...then again!

For whatever reason one humbles themselves, it is still specualting on a person's motivation, and that is psychobabble. For instance, the reason Mother Theresa might humble herself by subjecting herself to God's will may be completely different than why some abused wife might humble herself to her abusive husband. You don't know why. You would be specualting and so would Neitzsche and that is psychobabble. Do you know why Mother Theresa became a nun? Can you figure out her psyche? Can Nietsche? No, and to think otherwise is psychobabble.

[Asa Adams]

I hardly think Specualtion Is "psychobabble." Simply Thinking about why someone does something is not neccesarily Pyschobabble, it is merely philosophy.

[dramasnot6]

I hardly think Specualtion Is "psychobabble." Simply Thinking about why someone does something is not neccesarily Pyschobabble, it is merely philosophy.

Absolutely true. No philosophy can fully satisy everyone at the same time nor can ever be completely true, speculation is often neccesary to explain things.

[Virgil]

I hardly think Specualtion Is "psychobabble." Simply Thinking about why someone does something is not neccesarily Pyschobabble, it is merely philosophy.

Allow me to speculate: I think that Asa participates on lit net becuase he has an irritable relationship with his father and an over indulging love for his mother. He reads because he wants to escape the hard reality his father is forcing on him. His love to analyze literature is due to an over developement of the feminine side of his brain. He humbles himself to his father in fear of rejection.



Only kidding Asa, but you can see how rediculous psychobabble is. If you go back to my original post on this you'll see I wasn't commenting on all of Nietsche, just one particular sentence where he degenerated into what i consider psychobabble. Anyone that thinks they can understand what makes a person tick is in rediculous territory.

[dramasnot6]

Please refrain from making this discussion personal

I think Nietzsche was not trying to sum up the entire human condition or assume he knew every motive behind every individual, but just made a statement as to the tendencies of human nature based on his experience and context. All of us do that in our own way, without some prediction or assumption actions would be entirely random.

[Virgil]

. All of us do that in our own way, without some prediction or assumption actions would be entirely random.

Surely, but we don't claim some philosophic insight.

Drama, do you want people here on this thread to just agree with Nietsche or do you want to hear some opposing debate?

[dramasnot6]

Surely, but we don't claim some philosophic insight.

Drama, do you want people here on this thread to just agree with Nietsche or do you want to hear some opposing debate?

I am more than happy to see opinions not supporting Nietzshce here, just as long as it does not get personal or turn into an attack.Labelling things without support is more of an attack then a contribution to a discussion.
I dont idealize Nietzsche as the ultimate philosopher, my previous statement meant that Nietzsche is no more speculative than any other philosopher, not that his speculation was right.

[Virgil]

I am more than happy to see opinions not supporting Nietzshce here, just as long as it does not get personal or turn into an attack.Labelling things without support is more of an attack then a contribution to a discussion.
I dont idealize Nietzsche as the ultimate philosopher, my previous statement meant that Nietzsche is no more speculative than any other philosopher, not that his speculation was right.

Ok, let's go back to my original comment.

Nietsche says:

Jesus said, "He that humbleth himself shall be exalted." Nietzsche answered, "No. He that humbleth himself wants to be exalted."

And I said in a bantering response to Jon:

I know there is more to Nietzche than that. I don't remember any of my Nietzche but there were aspects of his thoughts that I remember I found interesting.

BTW, you know my sensitivity to psychobabble.

and later I said:

Now one that humbles himself may have lots of motives. Where does Nietzsche get in speculating why? Now that's for one person. There are a whole host of people who may humble themselves. Is he saying they all share the same psychology? Well, that is patently crap if he is saying that. There are a complex range of motives why people do all sorts of things, some of which may be genetic some which may be environmentally acquired. No two people share the same experience or the same genetic make up.

Now to be fair to Nietzsche I'm reading that sentence out of context. He may clarify what he is saying. But as it stands it is psychobabble.

Psychobabble is an attempt to reduce humanity to an equation.

And I said to Asa:

For whatever reason one humbles themselves, it is still specualting on a person's motivation, and that is psychobabble. For instance, the reason Mother Theresa might humble herself by subjecting herself to God's will may be completely different than why some abused wife might humble herself to her abusive husband. You don't know why. You would be specualting and so would Neitzsche and that is psychobabble. Do you know why Mother Theresa became a nun? Can you figure out her psyche? Can Nietsche? No, and to think otherwise is psychobabble.

I think I was on topic and supported my responses. If I didn't make myself clear enough, let try once again. To speculate into why someone "humbles" themself is to speculate into the makings of another person's mind. It is comparable to the rediculous psychobabble that Freud puts out when he says boys have Oedipal complexes and girls have penis envy. This is all nonesense.

Let me also say, Nietsche may be a great philosopher, but the line i point out is hardly profound and certainly not one of his finer moments.

Plus I wasn't attacking anyone, and certainly not Asa. I was trying to show how rediculous one comes across when one attempts to psychanalize another human being.

[Asa Adams]

Allow me to speculate: I think that Asa participates on lit net becuase he has an irritable relationship with his father and an over indulging love for his mother. He reads because he wants to escape the hard reality his father is forcing on him. His love to analyze literature is due to an over developement of the feminine side of his brain. He humbles himself to his father in fear of rejection.



Only kidding Asa, but you can see how rediculous psychobabble is. If you go back to my original post on this you'll see I wasn't commenting on all of Nietsche, just one particular sentence where he degenerated into what i consider psychobabble. Anyone that thinks they can understand what makes a person tick is in rediculous territory.

I understood what you were arguing, I was merely rebuting the fact that it was an incorrect argument.

[hyperborean]

You can't mention Nietzsche in front of conservative Christians. It's not personal or anything, it's just that Nietzsche ridicules their entire philosophy.

[Redzeppelin]

You can't mention Nietzsche in front of conservative Christians. It's not personal or anything, it's just that Nietzsche ridicules their entire philosophy.

Such a statement sounds as if you're concerned about our feelings. Considerate as that is, don't worry: we can handle the criticism of a philosopher whom we consider to be absolutely misguided in his thinking. Philosophers who are wrong are never a real threat. Mention away.

(The good news is that our primary Philosopher would have happily forgiven Nietzsche for his philosophic mistakes and welcomed him into heaven as His own son. )

[quasimodo1]

One analyst of Nietzsche said this, approx: The fundamental self-betrayal of the human race is to submit it's freedom to the fictitious demands of an imaginary god. Thus the abundance of the downtroden. He also felt that even ethics was a submission to superior economic forces. He may have gone too far in this case. My view. RJS

[hyperborean]

. Considerate as that is, don't worry: we can handle the criticism of a philosopher whom we consider to be absolutely misguided in his thinking.

Question: Why do you think his views are misguided? Do you think bringing mankind to next level of consciousness is misguided?

Philosophers who are wrong are never a real threat.

Ding, Ding, Ding! Opinion alert, opinion alert.

The good news is that our primary Philosopher would have happily forgiven Nietzsche for his philosophic mistakes and welcomed him into heaven as His own son.

Mistakes? Verify these so called "mistakes".

You enjoy nitpicking the flaws of other philosophies yet you forget that your own philosophy is flawed as well....or maybe you just haven't admitted it yet.