Evolution vs. Creation

[Redzeppelin]

Do you think you all could pause the victory party just long enough to post for us poor under-evolved Christians (who apparently have finally lost this futile battle [if the three posts above me are to be believed]) as to where we can read this definitive "proof" that evolution is a fact as opposed to a theory (because Christians are well aware that the theory has evidence to support it)? If you could do so, then things would quiet down here because then we deluded believers could escape this endless debate to go hang our heads in utter defeat. The source, please?

[ennison]

the irony being that those types are actually the least evolved, intellectually

OH The irony escapes me but I'm delighted to be intellectually unevolved as well as no kin to monkeys.

Your standard of proof is not as good as you believe it to be.

I promised myself not to bother posting here again but there you go fish haven't evolved enough yet either. They too still rise to the bait!!

[hyperborean]

Do you think you all could pause the victory party just long enough to post for us poor under-evolved Christians (who apparently have finally lost this futile battle [if the three posts above me are to be believed]) as to where we can read this definitive "proof" that evolution is a fact as opposed to a theory (because Christians are well aware that the theory has evidence to support it)? If you could do so, then things would quiet down here because then we deluded believers could escape this endless debate to go hang our heads in utter defeat. The source, please?

Someone forgot to click on the various links posted in this thread proving evidence.

There have been studies after studies done on evolution!

[Logos]

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[Redzeppelin]

Someone forgot to click on the various links posted in this thread proving evidence.

There have been studies after studies done on evolution!

"Evidence" does not always speak for itself: it often requires an interpreter. Interpretations may vary.

Evidence does not always prove certainty - it suggests a degree of probability.

[Wintermute]

degree of probability.[/I]

Agreed, The Matrix and Mr. Heissenburg really highlighted this for me.

[Redzeppelin]

Nice - I forgot about the Uncertainty Principle.

[ShoutGrace]

Am I missing something here?

In quantum physics, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is a mathematical limit on the accuracy with which it is possible to measure everything there is to know about a physical system. In its simplest form, it applies to the position and momentum of a single particle, and implies that if we continue increasing the accuracy with which one of these is measured, there will come a point at which the other must be measured with less accuracy.

It concerns a specific area of high level physics - "physical subatomic phenomena."

[hyperborean]

I will no longer battle straw man tactics in this thread.

[JGL57]

I will no longer battle straw man tactics in this thread.

I also - there are those who just prefer dust and hot air to monkeys - and that is pretty much that.

BTW, have you read "The Ancestor's Tale" by Richard Dawkins? I think it would be a great book to recommend to any friends you may have that are scientifically and intellectually inclined but perhaps weak in their knowledge of evolutionary theory. Or for those who prefer video-based education:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlQcM...elated&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Ssx...elated&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjfW4...elated&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMfc3...elated&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmUJa...elated&search=


- One can only imagine a similar five-part in-depth lecture by a creationist "scientist" explaining the "goddidit, Ibelieveit, thatsettlesit" theory.

[hyperborean]

That's a really good lecture. I'm about half way through the first part.

[Redzeppelin]

One can only imagine a similar five-part in-depth lecture by a creationist "scientist" explaining the "goddidit, Ibelieveit, thatsettlesit" theory.

That series will be appearing right after the "Things exploded - the earth cooled - by astronomical odds life (somehow) emerged - crawled up onto land - here we are" theory (also known colloquially as the "Nobody knows what did it - scientists say so - I believe it - That settles it" theory).

[ennison]

So true Red zep.

[JGL57]

That's a really good lecture. I'm about half way through the first part.

I have watched the first three of the lectures. It is interesting to see Dawkins make that "from ages 8 to 80" cliche come alive, i.e., he explains evoltion in simple enough terms that a bright child can understand but it is still interesting for the adults who are interesting in learning.

[Lily Adams]

I'll have to take a look at those, thanks, JGL57.

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but what about dinosaurs? We have yet to find any kind of human remains that trace back to before 64 million years ago because we aren't that old. And the Bible said nothing about dinosaurs roaming around with Adam and Eve nor was their extinction mentioned, which I think would be a big enough event to be worthy enough to be put in the ultimate book. And neanderthals?

My apologies about the lack of contribution to this thread. I have been busy, and I am usually just an observer when it comes to forums.