I get 117 minutes, but who knows?
I get 117 minutes, but who knows?
What is the use of a violent kind of delightfulness if there is no pleasure in not getting tired of it.
- Gertrude Stein
A washerwoman with her basket; a rook; a red-hot poker; th purples and grey-greens of flowers: some common feeling which held the whole together.
- Virginia Woolf
I regreat to inform you, Cuppa, that you are not unique. Left-index finger? I also have a mass of callus, from a botched skin graft when I got said finger hung in a machine! Makes a good weather predictor, but makes it difficult sometimes to play guitar well!Originally Posted by cuppajoe_9
And you are ever the Gentleman, mon ami. I would that many more were. God bless!
Some of us laugh
Some of us cry
Some of us smoke
Some of us lie
But it's all just the way
that we cope with our lives...
Ouch! Interestingly, my callused left hand is a result of playing that same instrument to excess. I've met people with the shapes of strings permenantly etched into their fingers, but I'm not quite at that point yet. Most instruments will destroy your hands one way or another, except, for some reason, the piano. Pianists always have beautiful hands.
But I digress...
What is the use of a violent kind of delightfulness if there is no pleasure in not getting tired of it.
- Gertrude Stein
A washerwoman with her basket; a rook; a red-hot poker; th purples and grey-greens of flowers: some common feeling which held the whole together.
- Virginia Woolf
In a way evolution proves that God exists. something had to start that large hunk of goo to change into a single cell organism and so on
"When all the other ducks are walking in a line, I'll be the one in the back dancing"
-Nicloe Bears
No, there are plenty of coherent abiogenic theories.
What is the use of a violent kind of delightfulness if there is no pleasure in not getting tired of it.
- Gertrude Stein
A washerwoman with her basket; a rook; a red-hot poker; th purples and grey-greens of flowers: some common feeling which held the whole together.
- Virginia Woolf
Does it not, therefore, also prove that a recurring myriad of other gods existed before the present one, each creating the next?
After silence, that which comes closest to expressing the inexpressible is music.
-Aldous Huxley
Love, love, love, that is the soul of genius.
-W. A. Mozart
Non scholae, sed vitae discimus.
Not school, but life teaches us.
Hi Miss Darcy,
Y'all have pretty much debated this to death, so I won't add to it--other than to say that to me, evolution is fact, and does not necessarily preclude a creator. My real reason for posting is to introduce myself (I just joined the forum a few minutes ago). And to tell you that your Aldous Huxley quote is one of my favorites too.
Cheers
I never specified which god or God it was evidence of and a question for all evolution believers, if evolution is real is it still occurring, and if so where is the evidence?!?!?!?!?! Where are all of the half monkey half human creatures? And why is it that only the evolution theory is taught in schools when it is just that a theory. Honestly without evidence how can i accept it as true?
Last edited by Stephanie B.; 12-21-2006 at 10:42 PM.
"When all the other ducks are walking in a line, I'll be the one in the back dancing"
-Nicloe Bears
Hi Stephanie,
I'd suggest that you take this opportunity to learn. Sign up for a biology class at your local college; talk to a biologist; research on your own. The questions you have asked demonstrate your ignorance on the subject. The evidence is there, all you need do is open your eyes and your mind.
But the key is happiness. If your happiness will be diminished by learning some stuff that may contradict what you've always believed, then don't take that step. When you get to the end of your life and look back, the amount of true happiness you've experienced will be all that really matters.
Try watching the video linked in cuppajoes post a few posts ago, there's an explanation at the beginning about theories and facts in science.
Still:
Evolution: Scientific theory
Creationism: Religious belief
Should beliefs be taught in schools instead of theories?
Not in my opinion.
what is the difference between a belief and a theory? aren't both the same thing?
but let me guess...a theory has facts and is 100% true, and cannot be disproven...
and a belief has no facts, is 100% untrue, and cannot be proven...
...I think I believe the same as Galileo, that science and religion are both acceptable. and infact do confirm/blend together...
Let me explain:
In my opinion, science is a tool that can be used by people to examine and explore their world, and explain what has happened. and religion is the metaphor, or story that presents the facts in a means that is universally understandible. by this I mean, that not all people are "scientists", and need to be able to understand there surroundings...
the problem is with extremes, and the inability to accept that what one is saying is wrong, ignorant or biased. both for religeous and scientific fanatics.
The thing is that people should live in a balance or harmony, and accept both, because though they are presented differently, they are the same damned things.
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Stanislaw Lem
1921 - 2006, Rest In Peace.
"Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible"
Let me put my spin on your first two statements, as if I'm not always in over my head enough, Cap'n.what is the difference between a belief and a theory? aren't both the same thing?
but let me guess...a theory has facts and is 100% true, and cannot be disproven...
and a belief has no facts, is 100% untrue, and cannot be proven...
...I think I believe the same as Galileo, that science and religion are both acceptable. and infact do confirm/blend together...
Let me explain:
the problem is with extremes, and the inability to accept that what one is saying is wrong, ignorant or biased. both for religeous and scientific fanatics.
The thing is that people should live in a balance or harmony, and accept both, because though they are presented differently, they are the same damned things.
1.) A theory has (accepted) facts and is (accepted as) 100% true, (because it) cannot be disproven...
2.) A belief has no (accepted) facts, is (accepted as) 100% untrue, (because it) cannot be proven...
So one is right because you can't prove that it is wrong and one is wrong because you cannot prove that it is right—both are taken on accepted (what science would call "given" facts). i.e. “Given the following circumstances you should get the following results...”
Last edited by Pendragon; 12-24-2006 at 10:09 AM.
Some of us laugh
Some of us cry
Some of us smoke
Some of us lie
But it's all just the way
that we cope with our lives...
I suppose it's just a matter of empirical data...quantity vs qaulity...but...there are some very questionable theories protected, by lack of disproof, and but beliefs, IMO, are the same as tehories...one must believe in the theory or not...both "sides" ( a term I hate since I consider science and religon to be as the same) have theories, with their own concept of fact.Let me put my spin on your first two statements, as if I'm not always in over my head enough, Cap'n.
1.) A theory has (accepted) facts and is (accepted as) 100% true, (because it) cannot be disproven...
2.) A belief has no (accepted) facts, is (accepted as) 100% untrue, (because it) cannot be proven...
So one is right because you can't prove that it is wrong and one is wrong because you cannot prove that it is right—both are taken on accepted (what science would call "given" facts). i.e. “Given the following circumstances you should get the following results...”
(BTW I am not a scientologist...I just think science and religion, are basically the same things described differently)
---------------
Stanislaw Lem
1921 - 2006, Rest In Peace.
"Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible"
I'm not really sure what I believe in terms of evolution/creation (both seem unlikely to me. I prefer to not think about it.), but my take on the bible is that it is in NO way different from the hundreds of other religious books.
Yes, it has some historical base, but there is no historical record of Jesus. You'd think a historian or two would've noticed a guy going around doing mircales...Many other religious books have that much historical basing, and much more.
Anyway, I like to keep in mind that in the long run it doesn't matter too much what I think on this subject. It matters a lot, of course, to me, but no very many other people.
The main problem with Christians is that they believe if you don't agree with them on anything (especially creation though) you're going to hell. Don't say that I'm stereotyping, I grew up in a conservative chruch, it's true.
Basically both evolution and creation are unprovable, so I personally do not bother get stressed out about it. Which is my philosphy for life in a nutshell: avoid stress.
unless that stress will provide you with food. or a dog. than its excuseable (gah I really get off topic sometimes...)
Ok, i'm done now =P
Last edited by brainstrain; 12-24-2006 at 04:04 PM.
"...thought is the arrow of time, memory never fades."
Not this one, mon ami. I am not God, I am not qualified to judge you or anyone else. My major statement has always been "Has it ever occurred to you that you could be wrong?" which applies alike to everyone, including myself. Many disagree with me. I don't put them in hell, or of necessity believe that's where they are headed. In fact, I find it a little coldhearted. "God is not willing for any to perish, but that all should come to repentance." "I will have mercy upon whom I will have mercy." Those scriptures mean it is not my choice to make, so why would I make it? That is judgment, which we are forbidden to do. Somehow I think there will be a lot of surprises on Judgment Day, and take into consideration I am a Christian. Many that think they are going to make it may miss, and many that people would throw out will be there. God’s choice, not man’s. God bless.
Some of us laugh
Some of us cry
Some of us smoke
Some of us lie
But it's all just the way
that we cope with our lives...
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