Questions about Islam

[myself]

hi everyone. i was reading all of this to no wut u wer talkin about, i will answer the Q about jesus. i think this was the thing that separated muslims and christians. as muslims we believe that thier is one god and no other. christians believe jesus is the son of god, which is y they dont believe in prophet muhammed (PBUH). in our quran it is said that jesus told his ppl that there will be abother propet after him but becuase the bible was changed, generation after generation ppl did not beleive a prophet was coming and thought it was that jesus told the future and so worsipped him!!!!

i hope this answered the Q along with the answer of shield and sword!!!!!!

[Shield&Sword]

Now lets see the site of rufioag:
There is no evidence that scholars said its right story, and in the site, the one who claim didnt say muslims believe in this story or scholars said its true, all he did was putting the story and saying NAMES OF SCHOLARS WHO MENTIONED IT in thier books, without further info, and subject is written without pages and without chain of narraiters (because if he mentione names it will be against him). Only chain of Ibn ishaq, and he wrote it in so dirty way thinking people is ignorant, putting ---> between names.

Ibn Katheer said : its not narraited about prophet Muhammed peace be upon him with true chain on narraiters. (or it contain liers or its broken or there are names not mentioned).
I wrote the ways that trasmitt it,they are 10, and wrote the problem in every chain said by the biggest scholars of islam. If Rufioag want that i paste these chains i will but will so big paste, and there are name and words that scholars use that wont serve users here so it will be big, but i am ready.

Ibn Khozaima said: this story is putten by disbelievers (liers who claim to be muslims).
Ibn Hazm said: clear lie and its not true by chain or by the words of it. and every one can say lies.
Albaihaqy said this story is not true by chain. and the story in Bukhary (one of hadeeths books) is without the of talking good about stones.
These are from biggest scholars.

The stories mentioned also by different chains contraddict between each other.

If you want the explination in long paste will do it, just tell me.

The book of Salman Rushdie about islam, he wrote it to go to the west. He talked also bad about U.K and west, but when west saw the lies he wrote about islam they were so happy and took him to west, and people of west doesnt know what he was saying really about them, he played on both sides. But what to do. Ahmed Deedat gave a lecture in UK about this matter, and he offered money to a channel to let him show what he really did, but western channel didnt accept. Will try to find the lecture and paste a link to it.

About the objections of Muslims mentioned in the site, i think that the writer was inventing objections, as expected no names of scholars, no names of book which object nothing. And Muslims dont object with some of objections written they are stupid objections, this story doesnt exist in world of true, and this thing was showed by scholars.

Want only ONE verse from Holy Quran and from authentic hadeeths of prophets that we accept that show we pray to stones or we talk good about stone. Only one.

I say to the writer what Jesus pbuh said in Luke 6:42 "Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother’s eye."
What bible say about prophets? David: ch1 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
Prophet David is provoked by Satan, the interesting thing is that this verse cant be denied, and psalms o David is used alot as prophecis about new test. Could the devil provoke David to write his pslams?
Solmon: 1Ki 11:4 "For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father."
1Ki 11:5 "For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites."

Solmon followed other god, even godess, what about his song and the sayings that they refair to Jesus pbuh.
Why they dont look what they have in thier book, they come in pathetic way and say lies and invent stories.

The writer then say "Dont follow a mortal man". He invite us to follow a mortal god!!!
Men are men, who follow God will win who refuse will lose, there is nothing about following died man and these strnage words.

I mentioned above what scholars said about this story, but if you want more i can paste. Hope you read all.
For arabic readers you can return to the study made by shiekh Alalbany named: نصب المجانيق لنسف قصة الغرانيق In which he show the matter and what scholars said, and problems of this story.

[Logos]

Ahmed Deedat gave a lecture in UK about this matter, and he offered money to a channel to let him show what he really did, but western channel didnt accept. Will try to find the lecture and paste a link to it.

Please don't, it will just get deleted.

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[Shield&Sword]

it ok. But only wanted to say its not preaching,it doesnt talk about religiuon. Its a lecture on how Rushdie worked on both sides. Wont paste any link.

[RJbibliophil]

Allah gave him the Vangel at his life.

What is it you mean by Vangel?

Do you believe that Jesus only seemed to be crucified and died, but didn't, or that He never was crucified at all, that He just rose to heaven?

BTW, you were very nice, kind and clear in your explanation.

[Shield&Sword]

Sorry i thought the word vangel is used also in english, i meant gospel.

About crucifiction its interested no?
I saw book of Judah in a library, when i will have money i will buy it if Allah wants, its so interesting book. Because Judah died in bible in 2 ways, once he hanged him self and once he fell down and his stomic went out.
Even from bible we see that crucifiction stories in 4 gospels are not identical. The most interesting thing is that prophecy of Jesus pbuh didnt work, he said he will remain in grave for 3 days and 3 nights SAME AS JONAH REMAINED IN FISH, COMPLETE 3 DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS. Did Jesus pbuh remained in grave same thing?

Didnt read yet alot about this argument, and lets try not to change the argument here because i think Logos is already angry with me for changing subjects of threads.

B.T.W you were more nice and kind that you didnt say you speak english better than people which english is not thier mother language.

Only to be clear. We believe that not Jesus pbuh who was crucified but another person who Allah made him like Jesus pbuh, and people thought he is Jesus pbuh. Jesus pbuh was saved and raised to Allah.

[James Wallace]

There is a refutation that I consider to be good to the matter of the Muslims claimed to worship the moon at the thread "The myth of the Moon God" in the religious texts forum.

See this:
http://www.online-literature.com/for...ad.php?t=22298

[HUDA]

Dear Rufioag,

I found your first question (about Hubal...) very intersting, and I would like to admit that I never heard about what was mentioned there about worshipping the moon.
The (Kora'an) (Muslims holy book) mentions more than once that the moon and the son are created by ALLAH and one should never worship any but ALLAH. It is very clearly written in (Kora'an), so personally I don't have any doubt about that.
Concerning the Crescent sign, well in early Islam they didn't use any sign to recognise them, it was even forbidden to do so, the use of crescent started by the (Ottman Empire) and it went like a trend since then.
I hope that may make some points clear for you somehow.
Regards...

[Poetess]

Lets not suggest reading any Islamic book knowing that not all of Muslims are the same.
The thought of Allah is definitely common; however, some of them are tooooo strict, and others make things as simple as they can.
The most recommended way - suggested by me - is to read the Qura`an itself, the book of Allah`s words.

[Nightshade]

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The most recommended way - suggested by me - is to read the Qura`an itself, the book of Allah`s words.

Got to agree to a point with that but if you are going to do that make sure you get a decent translation one where the transaltor first languge is at least one of the languges thats written in. And dont go for the really old ones, or for than matter the penguin version they do somthing odd where by they reversed the numbers. so they came at the befining instead of the end. And I know thats only somthing small but if they changed that much who knows what else they messed with?

[unknown_lady]

hi bro

you'r topic is wonderful and i will be glad to tach you some information about my religion

No allah is not Hubbal the God of moon as you mention

'Allah' was there before hubal and everything he is th one who creat the world
the eart,heaven and hell before he started to invent people

my bro if you'r a jewish or christian so you will with no doubt understand what i say

we and jewish and christian havethe same God 'allah ' the only one the creater

all humanbeing are the sons of Adams and Eve

we Muslim do believe in all the prophet and some of jewi=sh and christian believes . Because the other that we don't believe in is what the normal human wrote by their hands and not from 'Allah' .

what make us different from jewish is alot of things
but christian maybe more closer to us before not now i guess

cause christian were not allowed to be usury like us and not like jewish but alot of things changed in christainty

anyway

other thing that make us alil different is that they consider Jesus as A god
but we consider it as aprophet



anyway you also asked about where they go after death right we go either to heel or heaven according to the things you done in the world

[littlewing53]

i am curious of this teaching...does the koran teach muslims must kill all infidels (people do not follow the koran) then muslims go to heaven, seventy rooms, seventy virgins...is this part of the muslin teachings...or a lie?

[unknown_lady]

Hi little wing..

No it's alie

our religion Islam never said to kill people even if they don't fellow your religion

No ...our religion never said such it's ahuge lie

i mean you know as we all know that there are some people who like to lie about religion ND THIS IS ONE OF THEIR LIE

don't you know that our religion prevent us to kill anyone except if he kill someone so we do the same to him ...<<< This is something unversal even the countries whicj did't believes in God or such do the same in judge court Righ

and when a muslimkill someone who his country never hurts islam should pay a money to his family

In our religin kill people our even you'r self is prevented

cause God told us that the soul is something precious we should kept it




But unfotunantialy some people misunderstood this and kill whatever and whenever they saw a man from different religion

[unknown_lady]

hi all this is a good site may teel you about every thing you want to know about Islam
http://english.islamway.com/

and i will be dlad to teel you more and more

[miss tenderness]

http://discover.islamway.com/article...e_id=47&lang=1

a direct link to littlewing's question