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    Notes for Society for Popular Astronomy:

    Another visitor from the Oort Cloud:

    FARTHEST ACTIVE INBOUND COMET YET SEEN
    NASA

    The Hubble space telescope has photographed the most distant active
    inbound comet ever seen, currently beyond the orbit of Saturn.
    Slightly warmed by the remote Sun, it has already begun to develop an
    80,000-mile-wide coma, enveloping a tiny, solid nucleus of frozen gas
    and dust. The observations represent the earliest signs of activity
    ever seen from a comet entering the Solar System's planetary zone for
    the first time. The comet, called C/2017 K2 (PANSTARRS) or 'K2', has
    been travelling for millions of years from its home in the frigid
    outer reaches of the Solar System, where the temperature is about
    minus 262 degrees Centigrade. The comet's orbit indicates that it
    came from the Oort Cloud, a spherical region almost a light-year in
    diameter and thought to contain hundreds of billions of comets.
    Comets are the icy leftovers from the formation of the Solar System
    4.6 billion years ago and therefore pristine in icy composition.
    The Hubble observations of K2's coma suggest that sunlight is heating
    frozen volatile gases -- such as oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and
    carbon monoxide -- that coat the comet's frigid surface. Those icy
    volatiles lift off from the comet and release dust, forming the coma.
    Past studies of the composition of comets near the Sun have revealed
    the same mixture of volatile ices. The volatiles are spread all
    through K2, and in the beginning, billions of years ago, they were
    probably all through every comet presently in the Oort Cloud. But the
    volatiles on the surface are the ones that absorb the heat from the
    Sun, so, in a sense, the comet is shedding its outer skin. Most
    comets are discovered much closer to the Sun, near Jupiter's orbit, so
    by the time we see them, the surface volatiles have already been baked
    off. That is why astronomers think that K2 is the most primitive
    comet ever seen.

    K2 was discovered in 2017 May by the Panoramic Survey Telescope and
    Rapid Response System (Pan-STARRS) in Hawaii, a survey project of
    NASA's Near-Earth Object Observations Program. Hubble revealed the
    extent of the coma and also helped to estimate the size of the nucleus
    -- less than 12 miles across -- though the tenuous coma is 10 Earth
    diameters across. That vast coma must have formed when the comet was
    even further away from the Sun. Digging through archival images,
    astronomers uncovered views of K2 and its fuzzy coma taken in 2013 by
    the Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope (CFHT) in Hawaii. But the object
    was then so faint that no one noticed it. It is likely that the comet
    has been continuously active for at least four years. In the CFHT
    data, K2 had a coma already, when it was at 2 billion miles from the
    Sun, between the orbits of Uranus and Neptune. As it approaches the
    Sun, it is getting warmer and warmer, and the activity is ramping up.
    But curiously, the Hubble images do not show any tail flowing from K2.
    The absence of such a feature indicates that the particles lifting off
    the comet are too large for radiation pressure from the Sun to sweep
    them back into a tail. Astronomers will have plenty of time to
    conduct detailed studies of K2. For the next five years, the comet
    will continue its journey into the inner Solar System before it
    reaches its closest approach to the Sun in 2022 just beyond Mars'
    orbit. The James Webb space telescope, an infrared observatory
    scheduled to be launched in 2018, could measure the heat from the
    nucleus, which would give astronomers a more accurate estimate of its
    size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamwoven View Post
    One good reason for co-operation, though I notice that the idea of collaborating with Russia has been dropped. I guess Trump has taken too much flack for that idea, which is a real pity.
    Has this program been dropped?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamwoven View Post
    Notes for Society for Popular Astronomy:

    Another visitor from the Oort Cloud:

    FARTHEST ACTIVE INBOUND COMET YET SEEN
    NASA

    The Hubble space telescope has photographed the most distant active
    inbound comet ever seen, currently beyond the orbit of Saturn.
    Slightly warmed by the remote Sun, it has already begun to develop an
    80,000-mile-wide coma, enveloping a tiny, solid nucleus of frozen gas
    and dust. The observations represent the earliest signs of activity
    ever seen from a comet entering the Solar System's planetary zone for
    the first time. The comet, called C/2017 K2 (PANSTARRS) or 'K2', has
    been travelling for millions of years from its home in the frigid
    outer reaches of the Solar System, where the temperature is about
    minus 262 degrees Centigrade. The comet's orbit indicates that it
    came from the Oort Cloud, a spherical region almost a light-year in
    diameter and thought to contain hundreds of billions of comets.
    Comets are the icy leftovers from the formation of the Solar System
    4.6 billion years ago and therefore pristine in icy composition.
    The Hubble observations of K2's coma suggest that sunlight is heating
    frozen volatile gases -- such as oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and
    carbon monoxide -- that coat the comet's frigid surface. Those icy
    volatiles lift off from the comet and release dust, forming the coma.
    Past studies of the composition of comets near the Sun have revealed
    the same mixture of volatile ices. The volatiles are spread all
    through K2, and in the beginning, billions of years ago, they were
    probably all through every comet presently in the Oort Cloud. But the
    volatiles on the surface are the ones that absorb the heat from the
    Sun, so, in a sense, the comet is shedding its outer skin. Most
    comets are discovered much closer to the Sun, near Jupiter's orbit, so
    by the time we see them, the surface volatiles have already been baked
    off. That is why astronomers think that K2 is the most primitive
    comet ever seen.

    K2 was discovered in 2017 May by the Panoramic Survey Telescope and
    Rapid Response System (Pan-STARRS) in Hawaii, a survey project of
    NASA's Near-Earth Object Observations Program. Hubble revealed the
    extent of the coma and also helped to estimate the size of the nucleus
    -- less than 12 miles across -- though the tenuous coma is 10 Earth
    diameters across. That vast coma must have formed when the comet was
    even further away from the Sun. Digging through archival images,
    astronomers uncovered views of K2 and its fuzzy coma taken in 2013 by
    the Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope (CFHT) in Hawaii. But the object
    was then so faint that no one noticed it. It is likely that the comet
    has been continuously active for at least four years. In the CFHT
    data, K2 had a coma already, when it was at 2 billion miles from the
    Sun, between the orbits of Uranus and Neptune. As it approaches the
    Sun, it is getting warmer and warmer, and the activity is ramping up.
    But curiously, the Hubble images do not show any tail flowing from K2.
    The absence of such a feature indicates that the particles lifting off
    the comet are too large for radiation pressure from the Sun to sweep
    them back into a tail. Astronomers will have plenty of time to
    conduct detailed studies of K2. For the next five years, the comet
    will continue its journey into the inner Solar System before it
    reaches its closest approach to the Sun in 2022 just beyond Mars'
    orbit. The James Webb space telescope, an infrared observatory
    scheduled to be launched in 2018, could measure the heat from the
    nucleus, which would give astronomers a more accurate estimate of its
    size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danik 2016 View Post
    No, but there is now no mention of co-operation with Russia. A great shame.

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    https://www.space.com/38432-dwarf-pl...has-rings.html

    This is related to the plans to send several small probes to the Kuiper Belt to study a range of curious objects there.

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    http://earthsky.org/space/direct-dis...y-way-far-side

    Don't fully understand this, I just get the gist. A sort of mirror effect?

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    This is one example of how odd the Kuiper Belt is: a dwarf planet with rings: https://www.space.com/38432-dwarf-pl...has-rings.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamwoven View Post
    No, but there is now no mention of co-operation with Russia. A great shame.
    I agree, but that may still change. The moment isn´t favorable for cooperative projects between both countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamwoven View Post
    http://earthsky.org/space/direct-dis...y-way-far-side

    Don't fully understand this, I just get the gist. A sort of mirror effect?
    The only thing I understood is that they have invented a new form of measurement of spacial distances.
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    Yes, that is about my understanding, too.

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    As I understood the article, by using the VLBA which is a large array of radio telescopes they can now make more accurate measurements of the stars in the galaxy. If they compare two of these measurements for a particular star in the galaxy taken six months apart they can use "parallax" to find the distance between us and that object and get accurate distance measurements now up to 66,000 light years. Parallax is an old technique of measuring distance, but it has become more accurate because of the current accuracy of the individual VLBA measurements.

    The mirror idea, I think, is that if we map enough of these distances we can construct the shape of the Milky Way as if we were outside the Milky Way and looking on it face on, like in a mirror.

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    Thanks, Yes/No, I was hoping that you might trow a light on this parallax method.
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    I don't know how parallax is actually done, but the general concept is the same as having two eyes to help us intuit distance. If you look at an object with one eye shut you will see a slightly different background than if you shut the other eye. Comparing these two views gives an estimate of the distance of an object from us. The two "eyes" in this case are the two measurements taken six months apart when the Earth is on opposite sites of the Sun. Apparently they can now take such accurate measurements using that large array at each of these two positions of the Earth that they can see differences in the backgrounds allowing them to measure distances up to 66,000 light years.

    There are two ways to increase that accuracy further: (1) increase the accuracy of the VLBA on Earth by adding more radio telescopes to it or (2) increase the distance between the two "eyes" or observation points by perhaps stationing these telescopes on Mars or in space. I think the Milky Way is supposed to be 100,000 light years in diameter so it might be worthwhile to try to increase the accuracy since there is more to measure in our galaxy.

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    The SOCIETY for POPULAR ASTRONOMY

    Electronic News Bulletin No. 454 2017 October 8

    IS MILKY WAY AN 'OUTLIER GALAXY'?
    Yale University

    The most-studied galaxy in the universe -- the Milky Way -- might not
    be as "typical" as previously thought, according to a new study. The
    Milky Way, which is home to the Earth and solar system, is host to
    several dozen smaller galaxy satellites. Those smaller galaxies orbit
    around the Milky Way and are useful in understanding the Milky Way
    itself. Early results from the Satellites Around Galactic Analogs
    (SAGA) survey indicate that the Milky Way's satellites are much more
    tranquil than other systems of comparable luminosity and environment.
    Many satellites of those 'sibling' galaxies are actively pumping out
    new stars, but the researchers found that the Milky Way's satellites
    are mostly inert. That is significant, according to the researchers,
    because many models for what we know about the universe rely on
    galaxies behaving in a fashion similar to the Milky Way. The SAGA
    survey began five years ago with a goal of studying the satellite
    galaxies around 100 Milky Way siblings. Thus far it has studied eight
    other Milky Way sibling systems, which the researchers say is too
    small a sample to come to any definitive conclusions. SAGA expects
    to study 25 Milky Way siblings in the next two years.

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    That is a bit disapointing. I first got interested in heavenly bodies after reading Viagem ao Céu(Voyage to Heaven), a children´s book by the Brazilian author Monteiro Lobato, an author of the 20ies. In this story the main characters travel to heaven and one of the places they visit is the Milky Way, which after that for me was unique.
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