To contrast with Blaze's post when he says heaven and hell do not exist physically - when the conditions for these do exist on earth.Originally Posted by Propter W.
To contrast with Blaze's post when he says heaven and hell do not exist physically - when the conditions for these do exist on earth.
Ah, I see. But "hellish" or "heavenly" conditions on earth have nothing to do with the concepts of hell or heaven, imo. Sometimes people define god as nature, but we don't need a mystical term to describe something like that.
Anyway, my brain's shutting down... Sorry for the feeble reply. Perhaps I'll be able to express myself more clearly in the morning!
You know I had brain fever, and that is to be mad.
No doubt in my mind which one there's more of here - the hellish.
Heavenly conditions exist occasionally for the majority, but in such small increments as to be negligible against the enormity of lifelong hell that some endure.
Go to work, get married, have some kids, pay your taxes, pay your bills, watch your tv, follow fashion, act normal, obey the law and repeat after me: "I am free."
Anon
That's right.
Why do people search for Heaven and Hell?
You can already find it here.
When you're close to tears remember,
someday, it'll all be over...
"Words to cut your emotions with.
Words to make you feel worthless with" - Zoolane
The OP was about modern conceptions of heaven and hell and how they are inconsistent with the Bible and the Koran.
Like I said.
Either in the bible or the Koran, You can find heaven and hell on earth if you look hard enough...
When you're close to tears remember,
someday, it'll all be over...
"Words to cut your emotions with.
Words to make you feel worthless with" - Zoolane
You're right, and you don't have to look too hard. We were talking about the possibility of the existence of heaven and hell. If you believe in an afterlife, and you can see hellish conditions on earth, then the possibility of heaven/ hell existing in the hearafter increases.
There are hellish conditions... perhaps there are hell worlds. Who knows? I don't think of it often. I'm really inclined to say there's no permanent reality called hell. Buddhist cosmology states that there are many hell worlds and innumerable heaven worlds. Taoist, and actually every single spiritaul culture has found that there's a union of opposites. It's a really sacred truth humanity has had for millinnea. It's just a quiet knowing.
Last edited by NikolaiI; 09-23-2010 at 12:32 AM.
If I could provide evidence would any of you believe in either? These aren't physical locations that are evident by physical proof-- SO these things can only be proven through Spiritual tests (such as prayer and study in texts provided by whichever supreme creator that you think "most likely" real). Its all determined by feeling and spiritual confirmation. Sounds nutty but at the same time, if it IS nutty, then testing it out should come easy to you all.
What kind of evidence do you have?
Cause and effect.
Valid question.
The evidence that I would use for heaven or hell is what people who have had near death experiences tell us about it.
Yes, but if you are going to believe them then you might as well just believe what the scriptures teach... as long as we're gonna take someones word for it.
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