And he was right to support it at the time.
And he was right to support it at the time.
So with the courage of a clown, or a cur, or a kite jerkin tight at it's tether
I do not care about Trump (or Guatanamo and many atrocites that Democratic countries have made because sometimes the freedom that is destroyed is not near home). Castro did horrible things. Castro also did amazing things. I will not care about killing people as I will not advocate my country to follow this pattern, but I care about a country that basic health treatment, without money, is a world reference. Or how their education level if higher than Brazil for example. Those are things we must praise just like we praise the cultural elizabetean period despite she killing her enemies over and over.
P.S.I do not care about Neruda poem either. He wrote better stuff.
If Castro had lived in the 16th century I might think more of him.Originally Posted by JCamilo
I think we should not like politicians. If Artists are able to disapoint us as much, imagine them.
Well, we could always have Nero: bad emperor and bad lyrist.
Which Neruda poems do you like?
The poems in Canto General that deal with politics (but more towards Soviet Union) and are a bit of Song of Myself for Latin American are better. His Cien Sonnets of Amor also have better stuff, and Veinte poemas de amor y una canción desesperada wtih a poem that is a favorite (and probally among those who made Borges call Neruda a second rate romantic poem: Puedo escribir los versos más tristes esta noche
You people are so ignorant that it makes me seethe with indignation ...
In the American lexicon, in addition to good and bad bases and missiles, there are good and bad revolutions. The American and French Revolutions were good. The Cuban Revolution is bad. It must be bad because so many people have left Cuba as a result of it.
But at least 100,000 people left the British colonies in America during and after the American Revolution [out of a population of 3 or 4 million inhabitants]. These Tories could not abide by the political and social changes, both actual and feared, particularly that change which attends all revolutions worthy of the name: Those looked down upon as inferiors no longer know their place. (Or as the US Secretary of State put it after the Russian Revolution: The Bolsheviks sought “to make the ignorant and incapable mass of humanity dominant in the earth.”)
The Tories fled to Nova Scotia and Britain carrying tales of the godless, dissolute, barbaric American revolutionaries. Those who remained and refused to take an oath of allegiance to the new state governments were denied virtually all civil liberties. Many were jailed, murdered, or forced into exile. After the American Civil War, thousands more fled to South America and other points, again disturbed by the social upheaval. How much more is such an exodus to be expected following the Cuban Revolution – a true social revolution, giving rise to changes much more profound than anything in the American experience? How many more would have left the United States if 90 miles away lay the world’s wealthiest nation welcoming their residence and promising all manner of benefits and rewards? ---- Killing Hope by William Blum
There has never been a single, great revolution in history without civil war. --- Vladimir Lenin
There are decades when nothing happens and then there are weeks when decades happen. --- Vladimir Lenin
Cuba did all these things while at the same time fighting Uncle Sam in the Bay of Pigs and Operation: Mongoose. How many factories were destroyed by the CIA during the 1960s and the 1970s??? Economic sabotage by the
Helms-Burton law and the embargo implemented by a superpower against its former island-colony. Also, CIA-mafia attempted assassination attempts against Castro. History will never reveal how Cuba and the Castro government (and the USSR government) may have developed if they were not under siege by Uncle Sam.
"The boys of capital, they ... chortle in their martinis about the death of socialism. The word has been banned from polite conversation. And they hope that no one will notice that every socialist experiment of any significance in the twentieth century-- without exception-- has either been crushed, overthrown, or invaded, or corrupted, perverted, subverted, or destabilized, or otherwise had life made impossible for it, by the United States. Not one socialist government or movement-- from the Russian Revolution to the Sandinistas in Nicaragua, from Communist China to the FMLN in El Salvador-- not one was permitted to rise or fall solely on its own merits; not one was left secure enough to drop its guard against the all-powerful enemy abroad and freely and fully relax control at home.
It’s as if the Wright brothers’ first experiments with flying machines all failed because the automobile interests sabotaged each test flight. And then the good and god-fearing folk of the world looked upon this, took notice of the consequences, nodded their collective heads wisely, and intoned solemnly: Man shall never fly." Killing Hope by William Blum
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Einstein.htm
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There has never been a single, great revolution in history without civil war. --- Vladimir Lenin
There are decades when nothing happens and then there are weeks when decades happen. --- Vladimir Lenin
Okay man, we'll work on it.
I haven't read "100 sonetos de amor", but I will try to work my way through it with the help of Google translate and YouTube: http://www.archivochile.cl/Homenajes...neruda0018.pdf
Danik: I want to apologize to you. I was grilling you about human rights because I thought you
we're ignoring my original question about free speech. But having read the thread over again, I see that you did answer it as soon as I asked--I just missed the post. Here is what you wrote:
This was all my fault and none of yours. I am sorry and embarrassed. My sincere apologies.
PB,
Thanks for your apologies, they are accepted.
If I ceased to answer you it was exactly because of the "grilling" and because you tried to give the conversation a turn I didn´t intend.
As a Brazilian I have had the experience of dictatorship and censorship. I try to be careful not only what I write on an open forum but how I write about it. If I am not too open that is absolutely deliberate.
And a learned, intelligent man with a strong sensibility like you is definitively above "grilling" other people!
"I seemed to have sensed also from an early age that some of my experiences as a reader would change me more as a person than would many an event in the world where I sat and read. "
Gerald Murnane, Tamarisk Row
Well, free speech is always limited one way or another, if only out of politeness and consideration for others...PB,
Thanks for your apologies, they are accepted.
If I ceased to answer you it was exactly because of the "grilling" and because you tried to give the conversation a turn I didn´t intend.
As a Brazilian I have had the experience of dictatorship and censorship. I try to be careful not only what I write on an open forum but how I write about it. If I am not too open that is absolutely deliberate.
And a learned, intelligent man with a strong sensibility like you is definitively above "grilling" other people!
And in a free society, DW, that kind of restriction is self-determined and not imposed by the state. Are we in agreement on that?
EDIT: And he's gone! Hope he was not restricted from speaking his opinion.
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