Jesus in Islam

[zianizinou]

Islam respect and revere Jesus (peace be upon him) and muslims respect and venerate Jesus Christ more of christians themselves and they consider him to be one of God’s greatest messengers to humankind. and his mother Mary is regarded as one of the most pure and exalted women of all creation, Three chapters of the Quran feature the life of Jesus, his mother Mary and their family,there is a chapter in the Quran named Mary and she is mentioned 34 times in the Quran, She is honored greatly in Islam,each reveals details not found in the Bible.
the Christian does not know that In the Holy Quran Jesus (pbuh) is mentioned by name five times more than the number of times the prophet of Islam is mentioned in the Book of God.
in islame one cannot be a Muslim without believing in Jesus.
alot of muslims are calling their sons jesus (issa) because they respect and love and venerate Jesus Christ,but what i don't understand why Christians don't call their sons (issa) although they consider him as son of god????

It is sad that many Christians do not know that Jesus, peace be upon him, holds a very high position within Islam.

[OrphanPip]

Jesus is a very common name in Mexico. While in English it is an unusual name, you do however often see Christopher and Christine/Christina, which are just another common derived named from Christ. Traditionally it was considered sacrilege by some Christians to name your child after an angel or after Christ (Particularly amongst Protestants who had a stricter interpretation of what constituted sacrilege). Thus, many people named their children after the apostles or saints. The stigma against naming your child Jesus has stuck around in English even though most people don't care about sacrilege very much, and names like Michael and Gabriel are very common now.

[Pompey Bum]

Welcome to the site, zianizinou. If want to be a missionary, may I suggest you get an simpler user name?

As Pip pointed out, Jesus is a common name among Christians in some areas. This is not a problem for Christians who follow the Trinitarian doctrine (the vast majority) teaching that Jesus was fully human, but many choose not to do so because the doctrine also teaches he was (simultaneously) fully divine. Muslims do not name their children Allah, and yet they love God no less. So what's the problem?

Is there a reason you have not answered the question I asked you (three times) on your other thread? I am trying to have a respectful discussion with you, but when you reject two-sided dialogue it makes me suspect that you are simply spamming the site with previously written material--perhaps material you have been given by someone else. I hope I am wrong about that. Am I?

Here is my previous question. I hoped it might help us get beyond characterizations of the other and make for a less polemical dialogue. If you are interested in having a respectful discussion, then let's have one. Once again, sir, I have the honor to wish you God's blessing.

And I have a question to ask of the OP before Scheherazade shuts the thread down. You have made a claim that "most Christians dislike Prophet Muhammad." There are about 2.2 billion Christians in the world. I am asking you respectfully to document your claim that more than 50% of us dislike Muhammad. If you cannot do so, then I call upon your honesty as a Muslim to admit as much in this forum. I'm looking forward to your response. And God bless you, too, sir.

[Danik 2016]

In Brazil the name Jesus is rather common as first name, middle name and even surname.
Your foremost interest seems to be religion, ziani. I suggest you have a look around for the Muslim members of the LitNet community.
However if your sole aim is conversion to Islam, don´t waste your time on this forum. People like to discuss all kinds of subjects, but every one here is satisfied with his/her religion.

[YesNo]

the Christian does not know that In the Holy Quran Jesus (pbuh) is mentioned by name five times more than the number of times the prophet of Islam is mentioned in the Book of God.
in islame one cannot be a Muslim without believing in Jesus.
alot of muslims are calling their sons jesus (issa) because they respect and love and venerate Jesus Christ,but what i don't understand why Christians don't call their sons (issa) although they consider him as son of god????

It is sad that many Christians do not know that Jesus, peace be upon him, holds a very high position within Islam.

I don't intend to take a poll to justify my view, but I think many Christians know that Muslims think highly of Jesus. The problem is some of the more vocal ones want you to also believe that Jesus is Allah. I know that sounds ridiculous. My view is that we are all Allah at some mysterious level and so I am in no better position than you are.

Based on my subjective view of Christianity, however, I would say most Christians couldn't care less what Muslims think about Jesus.

Edit: It occurred to me that if you just say you are a "Christian" but continue believing whatever you want, you will make those Christians happy. Then they can say they have 2.2 billion Christians on their side along with the 1.5 billion Muslims (opps, Christians) also on their side. Big brother doesn't have time to be too picky.

[zianizinou]

Welcome to the site, zianizinou. If want to be a missionary, may I suggest you get an simpler user name?

As Pip pointed out, Jesus is a common name among Christians in some areas. This is not a problem for Christians who follow the Trinitarian doctrine (the vast majority) teaching that Jesus was fully human, but many choose not to do so because the doctrine teaches he was simultaneously fully divine. Muslims do not name their children Allah, and yet they love God no less. So what's the problem?

Is there a reason you have not answered the question I asked you (three times) on your other thread? I am trying to have a respectful discussion with you, but when you reject two-sided dialogue it makes me suspect that you are simply spamming the site with previously written material--perhaps material you have been given by someone else. I hope I am wrong about that. Am I?

Here is my previous question. I hoped it might help us get beyond characterizations of the other and make for a less polemical dialogue. If you are interested in having a respectful discussion, then let's have one. Once again, sir, I have the honor to wish you God's blessing.

in islam we don't name our children allah ( god) but we calling our sons ‘Abdullāh it's mean "servant of God" Humility before God is a favorite name among Muslims

because allah ( GOD ) is a Supreme Being free of human limitations, and is completely separate from His creation, God has attributes of perfection whereas Man is the opposite, likening or associating the human with God or qualities of lesser beings to Him is considered to be the greatest sin in Islam,.
Allah ( GOD) has no partners, no equals and no rivals Allah ,There is nothing above or comparable to Allah There is nothing that exists except that it is completely subservient to Him .
Allah has described Himself in the Quran through His Names and Attributes , he has ( God) 99 name,also known as The 99 attributes of Allah, Each Name and Attribute nourishes a kind of consciousness and humility.

[Whifflingpin]

Christians recognise that God is not contained within definitions but has infinite attributes. Christians consider it sufficient that we created beings recognise three of those attributes, namely that God is creator of all things, sustains all things and reconciles all things to Itself. Commonly these attributes are given the names of Father, Holy Spirit and Son.

[Pompey Bum]

Thank you for your personal response. I appreciate it. Out of politeness I will stop asking you to document your claim that most Christians dislike Muhammad. Perhaps it would have been more accurate to have said it was your personal impression was that most Christians dislike Muhammad and then to have asked whether it was true and why. But I don't think we need to pursue it any longer.

in islam we don't name our children allah ( god) but we calling our sons ‘Abdullāh it's mean "servant of God" Humility before God is a favorite name among Muslims

A very large number Westerners have names that incorporate God's name in the way that Abdullah does. These include Daniel, Samuel, Theodore, Dorothy, and many, many others. I certainly don't think it would be fair to say that Christians love Jesus less because Muslims name their children Muhammad more often than Christians name theirs Jesus (if that, indeed, was what you were implying). Pip and I have provided evidence for this position above. But even beyond those things, the Christian conception of Jesus cannot be compared to Muhammad in the way that the Muslim conception of Jesus can be. And therein lie differences that cannot be resolved in this age without compassion and trust in God.

because allah ( GOD ) is a Supreme Being free of human limitations, and is completely separate from His creation, God has attributes of perfection whereas Man is the opposite, likening or associating the human with God or qualities of lesser beings to Him is considered to be the greatest sin in Islam,. Allah ( GOD) has no partners, no equals and no rivals Allah ,There is nothing above or comparable to Allah There is nothing that exists except that it is completely subservient to Him .
Allah has described Himself in the Quran through His Names and Attributes , he has ( God) 99 name,also known as The 99 attributes of Allah, Each Name and Attribute nourishes a kind of consciousness and humility.

Thank you for sharing such personal and obviously heartfelt beliefs with us. Christianity joins Islam in affirming that God is one and uncreated and that creation itself is not to be worshipped. According to Christians, Jesus is the logos theou--the mind or idea of God, uncreated and coeternal with God. In the words of the Evangelist John: "All things were made through him and without him was nothing made that was made." Obviously Muslims and Christians do not agree on that point. I will not try to convince you of it; but I do ask you with respect to consider that (whichever of us may be right on this point), our faiths share a common belief that God is one, uncreated, and not to be confused with creation. Thus we are categorically different from atheists and nature worshippers (pagans).

Confusion between the faiths arises from the Christian belief that God's infinite compassion led him to bear the human condition with us. Thus (again to quote John) "the word was made flesh and dwelt among us." This, I think, leads Muslims to conclude that Christianity worships the created and is thus tainted with paganism. But for Christians, Jesus' incarnation is not the same as creation--indeed Jesus himself is the Creator.

And yes, I know that view is vehemently rejected by Islam. But you are not converting me or my 2.2 billion, and I am not converting you or your 1.6 billion. So the question becomes: how are we going to live with one another? Personally I do not believe we need to convert or pretend that we are all the same. Rather (in my opinion) we need to bear our differences with patience and compassion and trust one another to God. That would not solve all the problems, but it has the potential to solve some of them. I can't help but think, though, that we are far away from that solution. What are your thoughts?

[zianizinou]

Personally I do not believe we need to convert or pretend that we are all the same. But wee need to bear our differences with patience and compassion and trust one another to God. That would not solve all the problems, but it has the potential to solve some of them. I can't help but think, though, that we are far away from that solution. What are your thoughts?

Christianity and Islam share much common ground. Both trace their roots to Abraham. Both believe in prophecy, God's messengers (apostles), revelation, scripture, the resurrection of dead, and the centrality of religious community. This last element is especially important.

[Pompey Bum]

Christianity and Islam share much common ground. Both trace their roots to Abraham. Both believe in prophecy, God's messengers (apostles), revelation, scripture, the resurrection of dead, and the centrality of religious community. This last element is especially important.

That is only a cut and paste of what you wrote to MT on another thread. It can also be found verbatim on a webpage called "Islam and Christianity," which presents "a summary of a lecture by a western islamologist and theologian" :

http://www.answering-islam.org/Intro/comparison.html

And again (also word for word) on a webpage called "Similarities and Dissimilarities between Islam and Christianity":

http://www.academia.edu/3716864/Simi...d_Christianity

When I asked for your thoughts, I meant your own thoughts about making things better between Christianity and Islam. I took several hours to write a sincere and respectful message to you. Why have you responded in such a dismissive fashion? And more importantly, what are your thoughts on the improving things between our faiths?

[YesNo]

That is only a cut and paste of what you wrote to MT on another thread. It can also be found verbatim on this webpage, which presents "a summary of a lecture by a western islamologist and theologian" called "Islam and Christianity":

http://www.answering-islam.org/Intro/comparison.html

And again (also word for word) on this webpage called "Similarities and Dissimilarities between Islam and Christianity":

http://www.academia.edu/3716864/Simi...d_Christianity

When I asked for your thoughts, I meant your own thoughts about making things better between Christianity and Islam. I took several hours to write a sincere and respectful message to you. Why have you responded in such a dismissive fashion? And more importantly, what are your thoughts on the improving things between our faiths?

I don't think zianizinou is being dismissive of you. English is not likely his first language. Also he probably wants to make sure his theology's right.

At the point where the two of you are starting to agree with each other, why are you, the guy on the Christian side, trying to nit-pick a legalistic fight with zianizinou? Does the spirit of the law allowing one to break the law only apply when it is to the Christian's advantage? Is that another example of Christian love?

A few days ago I came up with another theory about Western atheism thanks to these threads. Protestant Christianity and Western atheism arose about the same time. They are beginning to look more and more alike to me. One could look at modern atheism as not just a religion but also a Protestant religion. More on that later if I get or take the opportunity.

Here are a few polite, respectful, personal questions for both you and zianizinou to help improve the civil discussion.

1) Do either Muslims or Christians think that the other is going to hell because of their position on Jesus?

2) Will the two of you stop wasting your time trying to convert each other to your respective religions?

Regarding question 1), if either of you need practice damning someone to hell, you are welcome to practice on me.

[Pompey Bum]

You're cute when you're angry, YesNo.

Are you still there Mr zianizinou?

[mona amon]

in islam we don't name our children allah ( god) but we calling our sons ‘Abdullāh it's mean "servant of God" Humility before God is a favorite name among Muslims

Where I come from, Christians call their sons Yesudas or Jesudas, which means devotee of Yesu, but most of us would consider it irreverent to name them Jesus, since in Christianity Jesus is God, not a prophet or something.

alot of muslims are calling their sons jesus (issa) because they respect and love and venerate Jesus Christ,...

I know someone (a Muslim) called Issa but I never made the connection to the name 'Jesus'. We learn something new every day!

[mona amon]

1) Do either Muslims or Christians think that the other is going to hell because of their position on Jesus?

YesNo, I do not believe I've ever heard anything about Hell from any pulpit in all my 30 years or more of being a regular church-goer. I thought it was the Calvinists who used to focus on eternal damnation, but that was a long time ago.

[Pompey Bum]

Where I come from, Christians call their sons Yesudas or Jesudas, which means devotee of Yesu, but most of us would consider it irreverent to name them Jesus, since in Christianity Jesus is God, not a prophet or something.

It is odd that people in many cultures choose not to name their children Jesus for the reasons you mention, but (here in the west at least) names like Christopher (Christ carrier), Christa (Miss/Mrs Christ), and Christine/Christina (Little Miss/Mrs Christ) are common. Christ, of course, is a divine title rather than a surname. It seems counter intuative to use Christ-based names rather than Jesus, but that's the way it's done.