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    Just read about it: New planet with 3 suns. The movements are very curious:
    http://phys.org/news/2016-07-newly-planet-suns.html
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    That is, indeed a strange system of suns and planet, Danik!

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    They must have pulled it off, I wondered why NASA was so worried about the outcome.

    Quote Originally Posted by tailor STATELY View Post
    ... yup, it was quite a dance; the math must have been very dicey.

    Ta ! (short for tarradiddle),
    tailor STATELY

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    I didn't know there were solar systems with three suns before. I wonder if there are solar systems with a larger number of suns.

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    It is possible. I've not been able to work out how much light any of the suns shed on the planet. I think the planet takes half a millenium to complete an orbit. Some of the suns may be so far away from the planet that they look like stars.

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    I guess we are witnessing a new kopernican revolution. Our solar system that for a very long time was the only one, has become one of many. I wonder what new astronomical discoveries are in store.
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    Yes, it is s very exciting time in astronomy. There are even blogs in astronomy - "Eagle's Eye in the Sky" is one.

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    Planet 9 (Popular Astronomy)

    EXTREME TRANS-NEPTUNIAN OBJECTS AND PLANET 9
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    In an effort to discover a ninth planet in the Solar System (Pluto no
    longer having that distinction, being demoted), scientists in various
    countries have been trying to calculate its orbit from the paths
    followed by small bodies that move well beyond Neptune. Now,
    astronomers from Spain and Cambridge University have confirmed, with
    new calculations, that the orbits of the six extreme trans-Neptunian objects
    that served as a reference to announce the existence of Planet Nine are
    not as stable as it was thought. At the beginning of this year, astronomers
    announced that they had found evidence of the existence of a giant planet
    with a mass ten times larger than the Earth's in the confines of the Solar
    System. Moving in an unusually elongated orbit, the planet would take
    between 10,000 and 20,000 years to complete one revolution around the
    Sun. To arrive at that conclusion, the team ran computer simulations with
    input data based on the orbits of six extreme trans-Neptunian objects
    (ETNOs): Sedna, 2012 VP113, 2004 VN112, 2007TG422, 2013 RF98
    and 2010 GB174. Now, however, the team has considered the question
    the other way round: how would the orbits of those six ETNOs evolve if a
    Planet Nine, such as the one proposed, really did exist? With the orbit
    indicated by the Caltech astronomers for Planet Nine, calculations show
    that the six ETNOs would move in lengthy, unstable orbits. Those objects
    would escape from the Solar System in less than 1.5 billion years, and in
    the case of 2004 VN112, 2007 TG422 and 2013 RF98 they could
    abandon it in less than 300 million years; what is more important, their
    orbits would become unstable in just 10 million years, a really short time in
    astronomical terms.

    According to the new study, based on numerical (N-body) simulations, the
    orbit of the new planet would have to be modified slightly so that the
    orbits of the six ETNOs analysed would be really stable for a long time.
    Those results also lead to a new question: are the ETNOs a transient and
    unstable population or, on the contrary, are they permanent and stable?
    The behaviour of those objects in one way or the other affects the
    evolution of their orbits and also the numerical modelling. If the ETNOs
    are transient, they are being continuously ejected and must have a
    stable source located beyond 1,000 astronomical units (in the Oort
    cloud) where they come from. But if they are stable in the long term,
    then there could be many in similar orbits although we have not observed
    them yet. In any case, the statistical and numerical evidence obtained
    by the authors, both through this investigation and previous work, leads
    them to suggest that the most stable picture is one in which there is
    not just one planet, but rather several more beyond Pluto, in mutual
    resonance. The situation is reminiscent of the one leading to the
    discovery of Neptune, in which the French mathematician Urbain Le
    Verrier was the first to "discover" a new planet by means of laborious
    hand calculations based on the positions of Uranus, whereupon the German
    astronomer J. G Galle directly observed it. If Neptune was the first
    planet discovered by pen and paper, Planet Nine could be the first to
    be discovered entirely from computerized numerical calculations.

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    It is interesting that the orbits of the six trans-Neptunian objects are more erratic than expected.

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    Another Dwarf Planet has been discovered in the kuiper belt far beyond Pluto: http://www.space.com/33387-dwarf-pla...015-rr245.html

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    It looks like the odds favor many dwarf planets rather than one big planet 9.

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    Here is a possible candidate. I'm impressed at the quantity of new discoveries.
    http://www.space.com/33387-dwarf-pla...015-rr245.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by YesNo View Post
    It looks like the odds favor many dwarf planets rather than one big planet 9.
    I don't think the large planet 9 idea is considered by anyone to be dismissed. See this link: http://www.news.com.au/technology/sc...ar/news-story/

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    Yes, Danik, the smaller Pluto was found when New Horizons were looking to find another kuiper belt object worth investigating. It may even have its own moons, too, like Pluto does.

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    I couldn´t open your link, DW, maybe because of international restrictions. I wonder what kind of impact all these findings will have on other sciences that have the untilnow known solar system for reference.
    "I seemed to have sensed also from an early age that some of my experiences as a reader would change me more as a person than would many an event in the world where I sat and read. "
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