Ask A Stupid Question, Get A Stupid Answer

[Pike Bishop]

In answer to your question, people feel able to judge when they shouldn't. People have rights that cannot be denied. But you wouldn't go to a Jewish Market and fuss because they have no pork. You wouldn't try to make a Muslim man shave or consume alcohol. Why force a Christian to do something they feel is wrong? There are so many choices, if you cannot get satisfactory service at one place, go elsewhere. There is the right of any business to refuse service to anyone.

Why are people determined that everyone has to think the same?

Firstly, you analogy is inapt. In the first case, the customer is asking the businessman to sell what they don't sell. That's not what Gay customers expecting the same service from a business as everyone else are doing. In the second case, you're talking about forcing someone to do an activity they wouldn't normally do. That's not what Gay customers expecting the same service from a business as everyone else are doing either. They are asking the businessman to do what they do every day in their business. So, it is not a matter of the Gay customer forcing the businessman to do something s/he doesn't usually do. It is a matter of the businessman choosing to break the law of their governmentally-issued business license and defy the constitution.

So, I will speak plainly here. The constitution, particularly the Equal Protection Clause, prohibits any business owner from discriminating against anyone for who they are. Using your logic, White business owners should be able to discriminate against Black customers because they want to do so. Like discrimination against Gays, that is abhorrent...and I'm stunned a Christian like you supports it. So, there is no debate here, an American's constitutional right to not be discriminated against trumps a business owner's desire to illegally discriminate. So, Gays have no reason to have to hope somebody will serve them when the Constitution says they don't have to do so.

So, that's the Constitutional, and ethical, reality of the issue. So, even though (for some reason) that bothers you, you need to get used to it. The Constitution won't be changing soon.


As to your question, I don't know of which people you speak. I've never encountered any one who has expressed such determination.

[Pompey Bum]

Why are people determined that everyone has to think the same?

It's easier for some to keep track that way.

What was the elephant thinking when the three blind men were groping him?

[Pendragon]

So, it is not a matter of the Gay customer forcing the businessman to do something s/he doesn't usually do.

If the person doesn't do weddings for people that do not have the same religious views, then you ARE asking them to violate their belief.

So, I will speak plainly here. The constitution, particularly the Equal Protection Clause, prohibits any business owner from discriminating against anyone for who they are. Using your logic, White business owners should be able to discriminate against Black customers because they want to do so. Like discrimination against Gays, that is abhorrent...and I'm stunned a Christian like you supports it.

As to your question, I don't know of which people you speak. I've never encountered any one who has expressed such determination.[/QUOTE]

That's not what I said and you know it. So let us just figuratively shake and and agree to disagree. I never discriminate against anyone. If I feel you are wrong, I can let you know how I feel, and unless you wish, we are still going to be friends. I haven't had a single gay friend ditch me because I believe homosexuality is wrong. It would be wrong to continuously browbeat them about it. Most of the Atheists on this site respect me, because I do not pull tactics such as just yelling "You are wrong!" and refusing to see any logic at all.

Be at peace, mon ami. God Bless.

Pompey, the elephant probably wondered what they were going to grab next and was planning a swift revenge!

Do angel ever fall while dancing on the point of a pen?

[Pike Bishop]

1. If the person doesn't do weddings for people that do not have the same religious views, then you ARE asking them to violate their belief.

2. That's not what I said and you know it. So let us just figuratively shake and and agree to disagree. I never discriminate against anyone. If I feel you are wrong, I can let you know how I feel, and unless you wish, we are still going to be friends. I haven't had a single gay friend ditch me because I believe homosexuality is wrong. It would be wrong to continuously browbeat them about it. Most of the Atheists on this site respect me, because I do not pull tactics such as just yelling "You are wrong!" and refusing to see any logic at all.

Be at peace, mon ami. God Bless.

1. No, I'm not. I'm asking them to follow the law. You can't break the law because your religious beliefs say so. Using your logic, you would be fine with people whose religion doesn't like Black people to refuse service to them. That is reprehensible and illegal and so, too, is the same discrimination against Gays you support so strongly.

2. That's exactly what you said and you know it. You said people shouldn't be forced to do what they don't want to do. So, you absolutely would support Whites who didn't want to support Blacks because they didn't want to do it. That is a syllogistic fact. And I'm sorry but I don't respect people who advocate for discrimination against Gays. And when you said religious people should be able to do so, you absolutely made that advocacy.

And I didn't just tell you you were wrong without refusing to see logic. That's exactly what you did to me. You incorrectly said my correctly saying you advocated discrimination against gays, and implicitly supported discrimination against blacks, was wrong. And it was exactly what you advocated and implied.


So, be at peace, yourself, mon ami. With your defense of homophobic discrimination, you need it much more than I.

[bounty]

pike---as a courtesy to you. I don't make a point of following you around but often times you are in the same place I want to go also.

you are obviously smart, and well-read. unfortunately however, I don't find any joy or worth in your perpetually arguing with people, criticizing them or their thinking, and making judgments as to their character. I trust (and know) others don't either. It's certainly not what I am here for. I hope you will stop and instead use your brains & learning for something people enjoy.

in the meantime though, I just reported your recent posts here and im going to continue to do so every time I see you acting in the same way.

[Pike Bishop]

Bounty, I wish I could say you are obviously smart and well-read, too,...I really, really do. I find no joy or worth in your posts either, so we at least have something in common. If you want to defend posts advocating discrimination against gays, knock yourself out. If you want to report my perfectly polite post criticizing the defense of discriminatioon against gays, knock yourself out as well.

Finally, I think it's adorable you've appointed yourself the official hall monitor of the forum. Like I said, your posts always make me smile...

[Pompey Bum]

Do angel ever fall while dancing on the point of a pen?

Yes, and they experience severe compunction.

Can fallen angels sue for damages?

[Pendragon]

LOL Since people say most lawyers are in hell (closest to the fire! why not?

What do you think really happened to Schrödinger's cat?

[Pompey Bum]

It fell on hard times after the thought experiment and ended up playing Mr. Jinx on Hanna-Barbera cartoons to pay for a nasty catnip dependency. It may or may not have died (or both) on 1966.

Did the denizens of Skull Island (of King Kong fame) actually invent the coconut bra?

[bounty]

i think its clear that coconuts were brought first to mercia by some African swallows so no, the skull island people must have gotten them through the arthurian fashion magazines at the time.

who is "sam hill" in the "what in the sam hill is going on here" exclamation?

[Pendragon]

My cantankerous old neighbor who is hopelessly locked in the 60' tie-died t-shirts and all.

What would have happened if Newton had sat under a Maple tree instead?

[Pompey Bum]

The fig newton would have tasted entirely different.

Are the potholes on he road to hell repaved with good intentions each spring?

[bounty]

only after they pull people's automobiles out of them. I recently spent four years in Michigan and they were reallllllllllly bad there.

just where the heck is tarnation?

[Pendragon]

Probably in the swamps of North Carolina, which is known as the "Tar-Heel" State.

Exactly what is a "whole nother"?

[Pompey Bum]

It's a variety of wax ball often removed during ear examinations. Less skillful doctors can sometimes only produce half nothers.

Why in the American South do things have to fix before they can actually happen (e.g. "Oh is it raining?" "No, but it's fixin' to.")