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    OK, OK, maybe not 'misshapen' as someone without arms or a mouth that's crooked, but as Clopin says, not beautiful and short-tempered into the bargain.

    I agree, he's totally hot, but not because he's handsome. He's charming, but not in a Henry Tilney sort of way (because he's nice, talks easily and just oozes fun), rather in a weirdly macho, domineering sort of way. He is masterful, Jane also calls him her Master all the time, and not in the 19th century sense alone IMO (as the master of the house). The way he strings his company along while trying to make Jane jealous is very hot and terrible at the same time. The way he attracts the attention towards him is uncanny. Don't forget he just decides Jane is going to marry him. In those days a man could expect a yes if he asked, but he also had to prove he was marriage material, that he could be trusted (after all a woman lay her life into his hands almost, if he b*lls it up, life was ruined for her too). That's why Mr Collins and Darcy's proposals are equally mortifying. Mr Collins doesn't want to listen to a no (it doesn't even cross his mind, frankly), clearly has no conception of a good marriage, and Darcy, well the only thing he proves is that he's conceited and will despise his bride. Rochester at his first proposal firstly leads Jane down a dark alley (I can tell you under the trees it is terribly dark, even if there is a full moon) and then takes liberties with her even though she hasn't even told him what she thinks. Practically 'assumes' that it'll necessarily be a yes. What else? He also knows very well that she has no-one to confide in, no-one to ask for advice apart from the housekeeper and she won't dare to say anything. This essentially makes her the same as Tess in Alec's hands, only short of that despicable act. She's young and totally inexperienced into the bargain, has no knowledge of the world or of men and he knows that very well. But he still tries to lure her into a false marriage and plays with her mercilessly in the beginning.

    That said though, he did it out of misguidance , a kind of narcissistic need to be recognised as her God (which she also alludes to during their first engagement) coupled with a desperate need to be loved.

    You forget that the Byronic hero Byron made a stock character (and Charlotte was thoroughly familiar with this) was destructive, charming, unconventional and brooding. He destroys other people's lives and his own. Only Bronte made him more acceptable by transforming him towards the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiki1982 View Post
    OK, OK, maybe not 'misshapen' as someone without arms or a mouth that's crooked, but as Clopin says, not beautiful and short-tempered into the bargain.

    I agree, he's totally hot, but not because he's handsome. He's charming, but not in a Henry Tilney sort of way (because he's nice, talks easily and just oozes fun), rather in a weirdly macho, domineering sort of way. He is masterful, Jane also calls him her Master all the time, and not in the 19th century sense alone IMO (as the master of the house).

    Ha Ha yes, Jane does make a fetish out of it and seems to unduly enjoy the master/subordinate aspect of their relationship, but even with Rochester's domineering, imperialistic nature and his advantages over her of age, wealth, power and knowledge of the world, Jane still seems to hold the reins, if only just.

    It is quite different from Alec and Tess. Tess is younger (sixteen to Jane's eighteen years) and much more innocent than Jane, and moreover she's vaguely aware that she's being pimped out by her mother, which adds to her confusion and makes her particularly vulnerable to exploitation by Alec. Jane never allows Rochester to exploit her. True she gets deceived by him, but that could happen to anybody in the same circumstances. She can handle him. She is always in control. The Jane/Rochester relationship always seems to be on the brink of danger or temptation or violence, and this gives the novel its edge, but I think a lot of its appeal for the reader comes from Jane's ability to take care of herself. Tess is a strong character in her own way, but too much at the mercy of fate, and therefore tragic as compared to the ultimately feel-good nature of Jane's story.
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