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    Self Pity

    I never saw a wild thing
    sorry for itself.
    A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough
    without ever having felt sorry for itself.

    I agree wholeheartedly with the general opinion of this forum concerning the beauty of this poem. It voices a simple idea that is articulated with simple words, and yet it generates the capacity for complex discussion and diverse opinion. Although I may not agree entirely with the mode of argument the poem presents, I will never discredit the magnificence of this composition.

    To begin my analysis, and assuming the above is how the poem was published, when I take the scansion of it under consideration, I find a few instances that are remarkable. In combination, concerning Lawrence's use of enjambment; the opening line finishes with 'wild thing', but completes the sentence on the next line. I believe this was done for a few reasons:

    (1) The last words are 'wild thing' before the reader must pause momentarily to scan to the next line in the poem. I believe Lawrence intended this pause to allow for the manifestation of an image to come to the fore in the mind of the reader, whatever 'wild thing' their imagination would entertain in that moment. As a poet, he could have used any words to describe his idea, but the connotation of the words 'wild thing', (using the adjective: "wild", and the ambiguous object: "thing"), in all probability manifest an image that is fear-inspiring, or in other words has a tendency toward being a frightful creature of the unknown. However, even if this "frightful" image does not come to the mind of a first-time reader, I am quite sure the 'wild-thing' coming to mind still is a serious creature that contrasts the sentiment of the following line.

    (2) The next line could be read as entirely spondaic, and helps to emphasize the meaning of the poem. The words’ syllables do not have to be read as spondees – I personally believe that the line, in context with reading the rest of the poem, should be read as: SOR-RY / FOR it / SELF. But for the most part, they are ictus. As I mentioned above, the setup of the image of the "wild-thing" in the audience's mind is reduced somewhat after imagining it feeling sorry for itself. I personally picture a great, frightful bear moping around feeling sorry for itself, and it is an absolutely ridiculous image. This mental comparison aids greatly to emphasize D.H. Lawrence's theme of the poem – to ridicule the human state of self-pity, by depicting self-pity in such a way so that the reader realizes, or gets an impression of, its futility.

    Furthermore, the matter-of-factness of the poem lends far more to the meaning than what elaboration could have achieved. In argument, stating a conclusion matter-of-factly bolsters its authority. This is especially obvious if you compare stating an argument confidently to stating something you seem unsure of – if both arguments are plausible enough, an audience will, in the moment, tend to believe the more confident statement, as if confidence made a difference in rationality. As if a human being feeling sorry for themselves is as ridiculous as the aforementioned image of a wild thing feeling sorry for itself.

    I believe the poem’s simplicity makes it far more complete. It is a simple statement about an aspect of our humanity that Lawrence apparently perceived as somewhat flawed. At the very least, he is obviously comparing the human phenomenon of self-pity to the lack thereof in creatures of the wild. It is the comparison of the human being to things of the wild that I have somewhat of a problem with, for we could also write poems, for example, about how we humans never saw another human being kill and eat its young – or at least, a sane human being – and various criticisms of a similar nature, comparing the wild to a human being. The point I am making, is that although we might perceive that a wild thing lacks self-pity, using this as a measure to criticize the element of self-pity in the human spirit is relatively ineffective, because you cannot use a single aspect of another flawed (and I use “flawed” as defined from the perspective of the human cognition) means of survival as a mode of criticism. I mean, of course you can use it as a mode of criticism, but in this case, considering that (I dare proclaim) nothing else of the wild can compare to the evolutions humanity has undergone since the dawn of our creation, and therefore our respective environments are entirely different on a variety of levels, I become skeptical of the argument’s usefulness. So yes, although a wild thing may never feel sorry for itself, it also is not the optimal tool to use in deconstructing human self-pity.

    In contrast however, I believe self-pity has its use and I also believe D.H. Lawrence knew this. An individual might encounter self-pity in their lifetime, and the act of that individual becoming cognizant of the pathetic nature of this state of being lends to their capacity to not only transcend it, but to better themselves in the process. Therefore, a poem like “Self-Pity”, read in its matter-of-fact, to the point style, would be a perfect tool to help an individual with realizing the pathetic nature of their self-pity. He ends two lines in a four line poem with the words “sorry for itself”, which helps to illustrate that the focus of the poem is on feeling sorry for oneself, or getting past feeling sorry for oneself, and therefore the means of overcoming self-pity becomes far less significant than the fact that it must be overcome. That is, the point of the poem focuses on overcoming self-pity, and less on how we should do so.

    I have commented all along on the beauty of the poem’s simplicity, and I believe it should be interpreted as simply: a mere statement to help the self-piteous transcend their pitiful state. I know this poem has helped me in the past, and I appreciate it, Mr. D.H. Lawrence! The craftsmanship of this poetry is spectacular and beautifully executed. It is one of my favorite poems to date, despite the small criticism I have written of its logic. Someone else, open my argument up for me! What I have written here I would never submit as a formal essay. My opinions are quick and personal, which I have admittedly spent negligible time in researching. But what do you think?

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    Nice analysis Poetic Practice. I enjoyed reading it. Welcome to Lit Net.
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    Self Pity

    New loss brings me to this old thread. On my quest for solace, I latch on to this poem. Why? Does it force me (us) to recognize that a yearn for comfort points to a state of self-pity? Is comfort lasting if self-pity stalks us? Self-awareness.....this tool divines the pool self-pity. A noble human characteristic ferrets out a pathetic one. Interesting.

    I interpret "wild thing" to mean, any living creature of nature, other than human; a butterfly as well as a grizzly. Thereby a rather elegant delineation of the capacity of human and non. The message I glean? We have the means to see our flaws, our destructive tendencies. Mimic nature at its finest, living in the here, the now; for short or long. Nature is ever changing. Perhaps self-pity is a form of arrogance.

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    life

    This quote has always intrigued me. I'm not very well versed on literature but, I do feel that if we all simply lived as the beings whom we are, along side with other living beathing beings, we would be able to understand the frailties of life. No one ever knows what's going to happen from one minute to the next, why fear the next breath we take. We should all embrace it . Never know when
    your time is up.

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    I don't really know if this is appropriate, but I would like to quote here Emily Dickinson's

    Hope

    Hope is the thing with feathers
    That perches in the soul,
    And sings the tune--without the words,
    And never stops at all,

    And sweetest in the gale is heard;
    And sore must be the storm
    That could abash the little bird
    That kept so many warm.

    I've heard it in the chillest land,
    And on the strangest sea;
    Yet, never, in extremity,
    It asked a crumb of me.

    I feel that an opposition is raised here, among "hope" and "being sorry for *self" which I look forward to elaborate

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    I feel that everyone who posted understands the poem, but that's the beauty of poetry, and art in general, everyone can have their own interpretation, and everyone would be correct.

    The first time I read this poem the meaning seemed to hit me with a blow to the face. It's simple, it all lied in one word, the word 'wild'. After reading it a few more times and giving it deeper thought I realized this wasn't the case, and that, as with all good literature, there's a reason for everything, every word, every comma, every capital. As I was saying, I believe that Lawrence is using the word 'wild' to call self-pity a human construction. I then thought "Well, when do I feel sorry for myself?" the answer was simple, when I do not have something that society tells me I should. This brought new light upon self-pity, it made me wonder if self-pity was caused by the restraints of society and in order to truly be free (as birds generally symbolize freedom) one must be able to shed those constraints.

    I then moved on to the meaning of the words in the third line, but all my conclusions from/about this line have already been posted, so I need not inflict upon you the effort of rereading previously stated information.

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    If I may add a brief insight to this very rich discussion--a quote (perhaps not the ideal one) from Marcus Aurelius: "Observe what thy nature requires, so far as thou art governed by nature only: then do it and accept it, if thy nature, so far as thou art a living being, shall not be made worse by it." Meditations--Book X. As others have stated in a far more thorough and elegant fashion, Lawrence's reflection brings us to look upon life in its simplicity. We are mere beings, we act upon our instincts and our abilities, which we apply to the furtherance of our lives insofar as this is feasible. And then, when we ultimately confront something insurmountable our efforts are stifled and defeated. Throughout our trials and tribulations there is never reason or cause to dwell on so natural a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebbo69 View Post
    I quote "I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself.
    A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough
    without ever having felt sorry for itself"

    I have so many thoughts about this poem, which really touchs me, but I am still unsure of its meaning, would any like to cast there thoughts, please. Would like to know what others think.

    Baz
    Hi Baz;

    I first heard this poem on the movie "GI Jane" and was so moved by it, I referred to it often amongst others whom share my love of words...

    As one of the previous persons had mentioned, I believe Mr Lawrence is telling us to live and enjoy this, the present moment and not concern ourselves with what is inevitable...

    A small bird, lives a simple life... wakes up early; searchers for it's food; sings, plays and gets to fly; mates; nurtures it's young and eventually dies...

    It is my personal belief that we can learn a lot from our fellow creatures (God's creatures as I call them!)

    That is not to say, we don't plan and do what human beings do.... just lighten up, live life and enjoy THIS .... the moment ...

    Paul Swan

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    Ah Lawrence. Trains entering tunnels. Sweaty men on sweatier horses. All that anger! Soo not very subtle. And always complaining about something. If it wasn't poorly made chairs it was the lack of passion in women. The first half of "Sons and Lovers" is very good. The next part is too whiny.

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    simply put, think it means we think too much, live strong, live free..with no regrets!!!!

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    and this is my favourite poem,,i appreciate the fact u like it

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