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    Right, the deadline is up and we’ve had a really impressive turnout. I will now put on my official judge’s hat (which looks suspiciously like the hat in the picture to the left), and give my thoughts on each poem before declaring a winner - whose prize, such as it is, is to liaise with Qimi about organising the next contest.

    Without further ado...

    YesNo, Individuals Avant-garding the Community: This poem is a clever two-parter, and I like how the two parts balance each other out in a number of ways: one is short and the other long, one uses (and perhaps apes) standard form and language whilst the other defies them, one is humorously callous and the other endearing. Stream-of-consciousness can be difficult, but I felt you handled it very well in the second part - there was never any sense that you were losing control. The nursery motif, with references to Mary and a figure with at least a passing resemblance to Carroll’s Alice, is intriguing: the greater world beyond the poem is hinted at, and there is a sense of progression from a state of innocence to experience. The voice of the first poem, expressing cynicism through the medium of a nursery rhyme whilst implicitly longing for that earlier and more traditional time through its disparaging of new poetic forms, is an excellent counterpart to Alice, who teeters on the brink of self-awareness but ultimately finds comfort in an old lie of the imagination. She, after all, still lives in a world where the imagination still has meaning - hence her rather sweet concern over the imaginary arsenic. Overall, a very successful poem.

    Pendragon, In a Group of Angels, One Devil: An interesting piece that I felt celebrated conventional forms, even while flouting them. The aphoristic nature of the poem, with its reworking of many folk maxims, harks to traditional styles - but I get the impression that this is a sort of camouflage for a more serious, and certainly more contemporary, point. These aphorisms all serve to single out the one from the many, the single rotten apple from all the good ones - I get the sense that this is a poem about victimisation, how so-called traditional values and wisdom seem to find a scapegoat for the failings of the many, and how that scapegoat is depersonalised through the use of these folk clichés. From a linguistic point of view, I also really enjoyed your use of assonance, consonance and half-rhyme (villain/village, blend/extend, sheep/show etc.).

    mal4mac: Well, if you can’t be anarchistic in an avant-garde poetry contest, when can you be? However, in the interests of fair competition I can only allow one poem to be officially entered - and as you declined to nominate one, I must simply accept your first entry (10111011) as your official one. I will, however, pass comment on the others.

    10111011: I suppose that to not even use letters is, in its own way, a rather avant-garde approach! I did copy-paste this into a binary-to-English translator, but sadly without success. The poem, then, becomes a blank canvas on which the reader imposes their own meaning - one that, in its reduction to binary, takes on a mechanical/simplistic overtone.

    Bernstein’s Dysraphism Dissipated: I thought this was the best of your three poems. The shambolic, nightmarish imagery of its first half gives way to a more elegiac sentiment in the second half, all pivoting around that central piece of direct speech - it’s very effective. It seems to me to be tapping into ideas of madness - the strange figures and their stranger actions, all of which semi-connect.

    Dyfed Rock Festival Encountered by Accident: An amusing parody of Wordsworth, though not perhaps as avant-garde as some of the other pieces on display here. Still, I enjoyed the humour of it, even if there is perhaps a little too much of the original poem intact for it to be a truly accomplished parody. I also had no idea there was a rock festival anywhere in Dyfed!

    DieterM, Jis anuvva summah evenin’: I felt this was a really experimental piece of poetry, and that you succeeded beautifully with it. The crassness of the language is all the more effective when compared with the eloquence of traditional poetry, which the shape of the poem hints at. The obscene text message is a beautifully distorted image of the love poem, the genre this seems to be aping - its romantic qualities seem to me emphasised by the title as well. That the ‘composition’ of this text/poem literally ends up mired in the sh*t, with abuse hurled by the neighbour, seems to me to be a very funny deconstruction of the idealised female and the art done in her name. Overall, wickedly funny and totally convincing.

    Lykren, Junk: There’s some really startling imagery here, and you convey it really well - the terse, economical lines of the poem lose nothing in being so. You paint a really effective tableau of hard light, and small but deliberate movements - I was strongly reminded of De la Mare’s Silver. The second stanza stood out with particular force for me, particularly the idea of exhalation - the whole poem feels like an exhalation, a tense breath of something into cold air. If I have to fault anything, it’s the word ‘pistols’, which I don’t quite get in this context (not least because they don’t come in waves) - for whatever reason, it struck me as a wrong note in a poem that otherwise carried me with conviction.

    cacian, failure to ornate societies's waste: Cacian knows of old that I’m not a huge fan of her poetry, and I would be lying if I said this piece had any different effect on me. That said, in its loose use of language, form, and expression it is definitely avant-garde in its own way. The stream-of-consciousness approach leaves the images in confusion, but I suspect that is the intention - through the constant, if fleeting, focus on aspects or institutions of society (norms, laws, democracy, ceremony), and the repetitive quality of the sound, you give the impression of a world slowly falling from order into chaos. In that regard, it is an effective poem.

    tailor STATELY, Headlines: How to Keep Your Brain Young: I’ve often said that short poems can be just as, if not more, effective than long ones - and I think this piece demonstrates that admirably. In four lines you satirise (or at least I get the impression that you do) the idea of rolling news, and the media’s compartmentalisation of events. The alternation between the serious and the banal is well done - particularly the contrast between the first and final line. The idea of the horror of kids in bondage juxtaposed with some piece of pap about Disneyland is wickedly amusing. I would be interested to know whether this is an example of found poetry - are these real headlines you found, or did you make them up yourself?

    Well, those are my thoughts - I hope no one is terribly offended if I’ve managed to grasp the wrong end of the proverbial stick with regard to the meaning of the poem. It’s been delightful to read all these poems, and spend time thinking about them. This has been a very close competition, and picking one winner is not an easy task. However, I am delighted to announce that the winner is...

    YesNo!

    Very well done to you, and to all the entrants. I look forward to the next competition.

    Loka
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    Congratulations YesNo!

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    than Loka and I appreciate your honesty and thank you for the feedback. and on time.
    YesNo comgratulations and a great piece indeed.
    it may never try
    but when it does it sigh
    it is just that
    good
    it fly

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    I think that 10111011's thing is more adant garde than the others, but it appears that that is not the most relevant criterion.

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    Congrats YesNo !

    Yes. Actual Headlines from the day of the poem 6/24 as written on a news feed. If one googles 'This isn't a trip to Disneyland' (within the requisite news cycle of coarse (sic) ) one gets this link: http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/20/us/imm...tation-scenes/ which cites a CNN newsy:
    Crossroads of hope and fear: Stories from a desert bus station
    By Catherine E. Shoichet, CNN
    updated 12:17 PM EDT, Sat June 21, 2014

    A mother and daughter lean against the bus station wall, huddled together under a cream-colored blanket. Their eyes droop as exhaustion sets in.
    They spent the past few days in detention, and Ana Maria worries about what the future holds.
    But even as questions swirl in her head, this 28-year-old mother says one thing is certain: "I do not want to go back to Guatemala."
    It's been three years since she last saw her husband, who works in a restaurant in Portland, Oregon. Now he's just three bus rides and 34 hours away.
    She's excited to bring her family back together, find a job that pays well and watch her 10-year-old daughter Greisy succeed in school.
    "We came here," she says, "to fight."
    Ana Maria and Greisy are part of a surge of mothers and children from Central America who authorities say are illegally crossing the border into the United States.
    ... and more including an audio component (unfortunately). Another human tragedy in parallel with L1 with the agreed banal in L2 & L3.

    Part of the title is also from a news feed I thought to allude to a return to innocence.

    I agree with most of your critiques and found them quite well thought out. Personally, I thought cacian would have an unfair advantage over most of us.

    Addendum 7/8/2014: Added link to L4 'This isn't a trip to Disneyland' part of poem to help w/ poems context (link appears to be still active within the news cycle).

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    Last edited by tailor STATELY; 07-08-2014 at 10:21 AM. Reason: Addendum 7/8/2014
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    Thank you, Lokasenna! Your comments raised the bar on what a judge should do in these contests. I enjoyed all the other entries and, like PeterL, I thought mal4mac had it wrapped up with "10111011" after I first saw that even though I couldn't read it.

    I assume I can continue the next contest in this thread so they are all together.

    Two weeks from now is July 8th. That will be the deadline.

    I remember in some post somewhere you mentioned liking narrative, Lokasenna, so that will be the next theme. Something narrative and avant-garde.

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    Letter To The Editor

    Dear Ms:

    About that last rejection slip I received from you—?
    Concerning a submission I have resent—
    At your own personal request, mind—
    For the third time now?
    Yo, now a rejection slip is no big deal—
    A beginner like myself is gonna received his due share—
    I do, however, object to your explanations for rejection.
    First it was “Sorry, but ‘time’ and ‘time’ do not rhyme.”
    Had your hearing checked recently, by a good doctor?
    Many poets would definitely disagree with you—
    Notably Edward Lear who popularized the limerick as poetry!
    Or Edgar Alan Poe who makes the incredible attempt
    To rhyme “enchanted” with “haunted” and “daunted” in The Raven?
    Well, I fixed that—although I felt it hurt the poem—and resubmitted.
    This time it was: “Our Northern readers will have problems with
    Your use of Southern dialect and spitting as humor.”
    God forbid they ever read Mark Twain, Langston Hughes, or J.W. Riley!
    And how about Finley Peter Dunne’s Mr. Dooley?
    Not to mention Lewis Carroll and Ogden Nash—
    When they couldn’t find a word, they invented one on the spot!
    What I’m trying to say is this:
    They’ll still be reading Edward Lear when you are very old.
    They will still chant The Raven long after you have passed away.
    While your corpse decays beneath the soil,
    They will still read Twain, Hughes, and J.W. Riley.
    People will still laugh at the antics of Finley Peter Dunne,
    When your petrified skull is labeled on a museum shelf.
    Lewis Carroll and Ogden Nash will still be quoted,
    Even as your marble headstone crumbles into dust.
    And if my poetry isn’t still around at that time,
    It will not be because I failed to imitate those that went before me…
    That’s right.

    Have a great time in your little world—
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    Just have to say congrats to yes no and all the entrants for an excellent round of poetry. A lot of good energy there, and some good reading, too!
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    Thanks, qimissung! And thanks for the first entry, Pendragon.

    Now we need more entries. It's avant-garde. It can't be all that hard, but what do I know.

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    Excellent stuff! I probably won't have anything ready to submit by the deadline (moving house starting today!), but I'll keep a keen and interested eye on things.
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    YesNo could you post one as an example.
    I think it is a good idea to show what you mean by narrative avant-garde
    it may never try
    but when it does it sigh
    it is just that
    good
    it fly

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    I'll try to make up something over the weekend, but I was hoping the real avant-garde would show us how it's done. If I don't come up with something, Pendragon's poem works as both narrative and avant-garde as far as I can tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YesNo View Post
    I'll try to make up something over the weekend, but I was hoping the real avant-garde would show us how it's done. If I don't come up with something, Pendragon's poem works as both narrative and avant-garde as far as I can tell.
    You'll wait forever, if you wait for the avant garde, because they are always way out there in front.

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    Don't worry. I won't wait for them to catch up.

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    I see that WolfLarsen has submitted an entry to the contest in a separate thread. Thanks!

    Here is the link: http://www.online-literature.com/for...23#post1264623

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